Trump Clinton wrote:
What does to tell you: Trump donated money to Bill and Hillary Clinton. Ivanka, his favorite, is a Democrat. Trump said in 2008: "Hillary would make a GREAT president!"
Make America Great Again wrote:
What does that tell you about the Presidential candidate who hired him has the campaign manager for 2008?
And Hillary said GREAT things about Donald Trump back then. Your point? It's called politics, do try to stay up or you'll get run over like Flagpole does all the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/10/us/politics/maria-butina-russia-nra.htmlIf da homies can't ha-a-a-a-ave none wrote:
Yeah, a quick scan of the major Liberal news outlets this morning tells you all you need to know on the "But, but, but RUSSIA!!" hoax.
Nothing Russian collusion or obstruction-related is even mentioned. . .
Tired of the liars wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/10/us/politics/maria-butina-russia-nra.htmlIf da homies can't ha-a-a-a-ave none wrote:
Yeah, a quick scan of the major Liberal news outlets this morning tells you all you need to know on the "But, but, but RUSSIA!!" hoax.
Nothing Russian collusion or obstruction-related is even mentioned. . .
flagpole and his followers, the real liars. major jail time coming, but not for trump...tick, tick, tick...
backpeddler flagpole knows he's wrong now, no impeachment and no resignation.
the biggest failure flop prediction in letsrun history. wow!
Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?
Tired of the liars wrote:
.... the real liars...!
Come on. You have to know Trump is a compulsive liar, right? You can’t actually say you value honesty and then say you support Trump. You can support Trump all you like, but, that necessarily means you don’t give a sh*t about truth, you just like his message. Which is fine.
I do love how he has swiveled his story of cheating on his wife with porn star and paying her off to be a “business transaction”. Beautiful. I would like to hear him explaing that to his wife, and I bet she’s not pretended he’s an honest man.
Anyway, you can’t be “tired of liars” and support the biggest liar, it just makes you sound like a fool.
Tired of the liars wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/10/us/politics/maria-butina-russia-nra.htmlIf da homies can't ha-a-a-a-ave none wrote:
Yeah, a quick scan of the major Liberal news outlets this morning tells you all you need to know on the "But, but, but RUSSIA!!" hoax.
Nothing Russian collusion or obstruction-related is even mentioned. . .
AHHHH!!! Oh, wait, has nothing to do with Trump-Russia collllluuuuusssssion? Oh, and the article itself states that prosecutors have been incredibly off-base with regard to their original accusation?
Know what Van Jones would call that link? You guessed iiiiiiit-
NOTHINGBURGER.
He remains right to this day. Brilliant man, that Van.
Oh by the way, China detained a Canadian diplomat in retaliation for Canada holding the Huawei CFO on behalf of the US. In case you missed it, she sold tech to the Iranians through a shell company. How will Trump respond? Tune in next week to find out what our meme of a president does to further reduce our status and reputation on the world stage!
Flagpole wrote:
Flaggy_fan_a_real_1 wrote:
The bolded portion is my position, flaggy. Just look at the disaster that is Trump’s tenure so far. After all his shenanigans, insane statements, obvious lies—who from the GOPs side in Congress has really taken on Trump? There are some folks. But do you notice a trend among GOP Congress members that have called out Trump’s absolutely ridiculous and idiotic behavior?
The answer is they all have left or are leaving politics. There is simply no way 20+ GOP Senators will vote to convict if he is impeached. It will not happen. I am confident Mueller has some dirt / bad stuff that he has yet to reveal—I just don’t think it’s so bad that 20+ GOPers will do the right thing and vote to remove him.
Sorry, I wish it weren’t true, but the Modern day GOP is for sure party >>>> country.
2020 will be the soonest Trump is held accountable for his numerous crimes.
Ok. I understand why you feel that way. I think the news will be too bad though. There is a line that is too far for most of them, and Mueller will show that that line has been crossed. I will be satisfied no matter when justice is served, but I maintain it happens before 2020 election. All we can do is wait and see.
Good mornin’ brother. This AM’s story is why I don’t think removal by Congress is realistic....
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/10/politics/michael-cohen-congress-republicans/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2FTrump and his team are way out ahead of Mueller’s report—no matter what it contains. Trump’s team have already spun things so hard that even if there are some really, really awful details and facts in Mueller’s report their has already been enough spin to give GOP Senators cover to ignore it. Which most will do. There may be a few—5-8 or so—that would vote to convict but there is no way to get to the 20+ needed.
The Dems are in a good spot right now. They just need to stay focused and disciplined. They should not waste their strong position on impeachment. They should focus on 2020.
Trump won’t be impeached and it’s not even a legitimate question at this point. It doesn’t matter what he did. Conspiracy with Russia, obstruction, campaign finance violations....it simply won’t matter to a vast majority of Republicans both in office and at home. Why? Because Trump is a rubber stamp for their agenda and he gets the votes out like no Republican since Reagan. Now it might not be those lovely Reagan Democrats but a vote is a vote. I think the view of Orrin Hatch is the predominate view....who cares, the economy is doing well and our agenda is going forward. Be damned the Constitution and the Oath I took...
Unless we get a Nixonian Saturday Night with a smoking gun we are all just spinning our wheels for intellectual discourse.
He has 0 chance in 2020 though. I just can’t see how taking 46% wins enough electoral votes in 2020 when WI and MI are going to be out of play. “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....” PA decides it most likely. There may even be losses elsewhere if 2018 was any indication. There’s just too much negativity and no Ross Perot to bail him out.
Alan
VJVJVJ wrote:
AHHHH!!! Oh, wait, has nothing to do with Trump-Russia collllluuuuusssssion? Oh, and the article itself states that prosecutors have been incredibly off-base with regard to their original accusation?
Know what Van Jones would call that link? You guessed iiiiiiit-
NOTHINGBURGER.
He remains right to this day. Brilliant man, that Van.
Are you ok? You know this was NOT part of the Mueller investigation or Trump? This is a totally separate investigation of a woman who is now pleading to conspiring to act as a foreign agent. Is that nothing? Seems like it is something. But, wow. Does being a Trump supporter now mean you have to believe Russian spies within the US are nothing? That’s messed up.
Racket wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
No, there is not one credible study that says that. There is this one guy who makes videos and writes articles to that effect. But everyone who seriously studies this stuff says that EV's are much better for the environment than gas cars.
Mining for nickel and cobalt is not terribly good for the environment. But it's a lot better than oil drilling with its spills large and small.
I doubt it's "better than oil drilling" since it's probably just strip mined out of Africa. My conviction to drive a gas car is stronger than Flagpole's constant reassurance to himself that he's the smartest person ever and that Trump will not make it past January 2021.
Like I said, mining is a real problem. And mining of cobalt in the Congo especially has lots of issues. Responsible companies are aware of this and are addressing the problem. That's why companies like Tesla are sourcing their cobalt from Canada. And they are also reducing the amount of cobalt needed in their batteries.
But oil is an inherently dirty business. 1.3 million gallons of petroleum are spilled into US waters every year. That's just in the US. And that's without a single major spill like the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The effects of that spill are still being felt all these years later as sea life still has not fully recovered and fishing is still not back to normal. In fact, you can look way back to the Exxon Valdez spill almost 30 years ago. The herring population never recovered.
There is just no comparison between damage from oil drilling and damage from cobalt mining. Oil is absolutely dreadful for the environment. We need to leave it in the ground.
Flagpole wrote:
What EV do you have?
Chevy Bolt EV
Runningart2004 wrote:
Trump won’t be impeached and it’s not even a legitimate question at this point. It doesn’t matter what he did. Conspiracy with Russia, obstruction, campaign finance violations....it simply won’t matter to a vast majority of Republicans both in office and at home. Why? Because Trump is a rubber stamp for their agenda and he gets the votes out like no Republican since Reagan. Now it might not be those lovely Reagan Democrats but a vote is a vote. I think the view of Orrin Hatch is the predominate view....who cares, the economy is doing well and our agenda is going forward. Be damned the Constitution and the Oath I took...
Unless we get a Nixonian Saturday Night with a smoking gun we are all just spinning our wheels for intellectual discourse.
He has 0 chance in 2020 though. I just can’t see how taking 46% wins enough electoral votes in 2020 when WI and MI are going to be out of play. “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....” PA decides it most likely. There may even be losses elsewhere if 2018 was any indication. There’s just too much negativity and no Ross Perot to bail him out.
Alan
I think you mean there is no chance the senate will convict him, removing him from office. Trump very well may be impeached by the house. The term 'impeachment' refers to the House. The term 'convicted' refers to the Senate.
or better put, the House impeaches, then the Senate 'tries' all impeachments.
agip wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Trump won’t be impeached and it’s not even a legitimate question at this point. It doesn’t matter what he did. Conspiracy with Russia, obstruction, campaign finance violations....it simply won’t matter to a vast majority of Republicans both in office and at home. Why? Because Trump is a rubber stamp for their agenda and he gets the votes out like no Republican since Reagan. Now it might not be those lovely Reagan Democrats but a vote is a vote. I think the view of Orrin Hatch is the predominate view....who cares, the economy is doing well and our agenda is going forward. Be damned the Constitution and the Oath I took...
Unless we get a Nixonian Saturday Night with a smoking gun we are all just spinning our wheels for intellectual discourse.
He has 0 chance in 2020 though. I just can’t see how taking 46% wins enough electoral votes in 2020 when WI and MI are going to be out of play. “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....” PA decides it most likely. There may even be losses elsewhere if 2018 was any indication. There’s just too much negativity and no Ross Perot to bail him out.
Alan
I think you mean there is no chance the senate will convict him, removing him from office. Trump very well may be impeached by the house. The term 'impeachment' refers to the House. The term 'convicted' refers to the Senate.
or better put, the House impeaches, then the Senate 'tries' all impeachments.
I’m aware. It would be rather stupid to impeach when you know he won’t be convicted. It’s all just political theater at that point to please a base. F that noise.
Alan
Fat hurts wrote:
Racket wrote:
I doubt it's "better than oil drilling" since it's probably just strip mined out of Africa. My conviction to drive a gas car is stronger than Flagpole's constant reassurance to himself that he's the smartest person ever and that Trump will not make it past January 2021.
Like I said, mining is a real problem. And mining of cobalt in the Congo especially has lots of issues. Responsible companies are aware of this and are addressing the problem. That's why companies like Tesla are sourcing their cobalt from Canada. And they are also reducing the amount of cobalt needed in their batteries.
But oil is an inherently dirty business. 1.3 million gallons of petroleum are spilled into US waters every year. That's just in the US. And that's without a single major spill like the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The effects of that spill are still being felt all these years later as sea life still has not fully recovered and fishing is still not back to normal. In fact, you can look way back to the Exxon Valdez spill almost 30 years ago. The herring population never recovered.
There is just no comparison between damage from oil drilling and damage from cobalt mining. Oil is absolutely dreadful for the environment. We need to leave it in the ground.
Need oil for synthetic fibers and plastics too so it's coming up out of the ground regardless. Rest assured that you'll feel extra smug about your EV when oil prices sky rocket thanks to Donnie's pal Vlad who agreed to cut production with the Saudis so it looks like he sold his stupid soul for nothing when he ignored the killing of that journalist.
Long UWT
In the now wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
But you won't want to. An electric SUV will be far superior.
Are electric SUVs and pick up trucks better vehicles now?
And they cost the same without govt incentives?
Not yet, but this discussion is about the future. The Rivian SUV is slated to be released in 2020. It will have 410 miles of range, 700 horsepower, 826 lb.-ft of torque, and go 0 to 60 in under 3 seconds.
Yes, it will be expensive. But new technology always is.
Runningart2004 wrote:
agip wrote:
I think you mean there is no chance the senate will convict him, removing him from office. Trump very well may be impeached by the house. The term 'impeachment' refers to the House. The term 'convicted' refers to the Senate.
or better put, the House impeaches, then the Senate 'tries' all impeachments.
I’m aware. It would be rather stupid to impeach when you know he won’t be convicted. It’s all just political theater at that point to please a base. F that noise.
Alan
well I'd disagree with you there. I could see several paths to impeachment. I'd argue the House wouldn't have much choice NOT to impeach if some of the worst case scenarios come about from Mueller/SDNY/Journalists.
Runningart2004 wrote:
I’m aware. It would be rather stupid to impeach when you know he won’t be convicted. It’s all just political theater at that point to please a base. F that noise.
Alan
Do you likewise believe the impeachment of Bill Clinton was just political theater? I disagree with you; an impeachment, even without a subsequent conviction, can be very damaging. I’m not saying I support one against Trump, just that the potential inability to convict in the senate is not a reason to refuse to impeach. It actually undermines the entire process if you skip ahead to guess what the senate may do as a determination of whether to seek to impeach or not.
Racket wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Like I said, mining is a real problem. And mining of cobalt in the Congo especially has lots of issues. Responsible companies are aware of this and are addressing the problem. That's why companies like Tesla are sourcing their cobalt from Canada. And they are also reducing the amount of cobalt needed in their batteries.
But oil is an inherently dirty business. 1.3 million gallons of petroleum are spilled into US waters every year. That's just in the US. And that's without a single major spill like the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The effects of that spill are still being felt all these years later as sea life still has not fully recovered and fishing is still not back to normal. In fact, you can look way back to the Exxon Valdez spill almost 30 years ago. The herring population never recovered.
There is just no comparison between damage from oil drilling and damage from cobalt mining. Oil is absolutely dreadful for the environment. We need to leave it in the ground.
Need oil for synthetic fibers and plastics too so it's coming up out of the ground regardless. Rest assured that you'll feel extra smug about your EV when oil prices sky rocket thanks to Donnie's pal Vlad who agreed to cut production with the Saudis so it looks like he sold his stupid soul for nothing when he ignored the killing of that journalist.
Long UWT
Yes, of course we won't get rid of petroleum right away. But oil drilling can be cut dramatically in the next few years. If that happens we will all reap tremendous benefits.
I don't know if you will believe me, but I didn't buy my EV for environmental reasons. My wife likes the idea of driving an EV for that reason, but my primary concern was the cost and the driving experience.
I did the math and found that the total cost of ownership was way lower for an EV than for a conventional car. Replacing my 40 MPG hybrid with an EV saves me about $2000 a year in gas vs. electricity cost. Of course, if I was replacing a more average car getting 25 MPG, my savings would have been even higher.
If you are vowing to never drive an EV that's fine. But it will cost you a lot of money and I'll beat you off the line every time.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Usesofpetroleum.pngRacket wrote:
Need oil for synthetic fibers and plastics too so it's coming up out of the ground regardless.
