Sub Z wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Eventually the cost would go down to near zero. So Americans would pay practically nothing for electricity to their homes and electricity for their cars.
To get there, you would have an initial outlay to build more solar and wind infrastructure. Also, you would need grid storage and modernization of the grid itself. You could fund it in such a way that the average American wouldn't notice much of a difference in the first several years. After that, energy prices would go down to near zero.
The economic gains would be enormous. Everything becomes cheaper when transportation becomes cheaper. American factories can run cheaper with cheaper energy, which means more factory jobs. And we would sell our excess energy to other countries. Americans would be healthier with cleaner air, which lowers health care costs for everyone.
And most important, us runners would no longer have to breathe nasty exhaust fumes.
Will I get to keep my SUV if I want to keep my SUV?
yes
But you won't want to. An electric SUV will be far superior.
Make America Great Again wrote:
thehill com/opinion/criminal-justice/420523-cohens-pleas-concocted-by-prosecutors-to-snare-trump
A total waste of text.
First line before the start of the fake story.
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill
In other words, a paid 'advertisement' masked as an opinion piece. The author, Mark Penn, writes 'opinion' pieces for Fox News.
Penn has now become a regular face on Fox News — CNN and MSNBC won’t book him — and a contributor to The Hill’s right-leaning editorial pages. There, he has repeatedly bashed the Mueller investigation as a “partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again” — followed up by more TV hits on Fox.
Penn may be alone in his view of himself as a maverick willing to speak truth to power even if it’s unpopular with his own party. In interviews with his former colleagues, most said they see a much more common human story at play: a man who lost his home in his own party, both ideologically and personally, someone who hasn’t been consulted by Democratic presidential candidates in years, who is suddenly finding political relevance again by spouting — whether he intends them to be or not — what amount to pro-Trump talking points.
Most of that newfound relevance is coming from the right. The Republican National Committee spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany recently tweeted a Penn column, calling it a “MUST READ.” Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee linked to a Penn column in which he called former Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s plea deal an attempt to “set up” the president, writing, “I defer to Mark Penn.”
White House aides often rely on Harris polls — a company Penn acquired last year — to show the president how he’s doing with blue collar voters, and an aide said Trump was aware of Penn's commentary, mostly from seeing him on TV.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/31/mark-penn-clinton-strategist-mueller-investigation-donald-trump-219622
Flaggy_fan_a_real_1 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ok. There are many reasons to believe that he won't be gone before 2020...cynicism, no faith in the political process, belief that Democrats have made more of this than is there, belief that even if horrible crimes are shown that Senate Republicans will still not vote him out. I just don't buy any of those reasons. It will be shown that he has committed just about the highest crime you can against your country, and I believe it will happen before his term is over. Those elected officials took an oath to protect the United States and the Constitution, and when the chips are down, I believe they will uphold those oaths.
I have said somewhere in this thread early on that I didn't need for him to be imprisoned, but I have changed my tune on that. What he has done is very serious, and he needs to be punished not only because of what he has done, but as a deterrent to any future person who believes they can occupy the office of the Presidency and behave similarly.
I don't have a favorite for the next President yet. Whoever it is will have lots of repairing to do.
The bolded portion is my position, flaggy. Just look at the disaster that is Trump’s tenure so far. After all his shenanigans, insane statements, obvious lies—who from the GOPs side in Congress has really taken on Trump? There are some folks. But do you notice a trend among GOP Congress members that have called out Trump’s absolutely ridiculous and idiotic behavior?
The answer is they all have left or are leaving politics. There is simply no way 20+ GOP Senators will vote to convict if he is impeached. It will not happen. I am confident Mueller has some dirt / bad stuff that he has yet to reveal—I just don’t think it’s so bad that 20+ GOPers will do the right thing and vote to remove him.
Sorry, I wish it weren’t true, but the Modern day GOP is for sure party >>>> country.
2020 will be the soonest Trump is held accountable for his numerous crimes.
Ok. I understand why you feel that way. I think the news will be too bad though. There is a line that is too far for most of them, and Mueller will show that that line has been crossed. I will be satisfied no matter when justice is served, but I maintain it happens before 2020 election. All we can do is wait and see.
Make America Great Again wrote:
https://itk.thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/420523-cohens-pleas-concocted-by-prosecutors-to-snare-trump
Tee hee hee.
You cite that?!?
Oh Lying Gary. How do you ever expect anyone to take you seriously?
Snicker, snicker.
///
Lying Gary
What does that tell you about the Presidential candidate who hired him has the campaign manager for 2008?
Fake News wrote:
Make America Great Again wrote:
thehill com/opinion/criminal-justice/420523-cohens-pleas-concocted-by-prosecutors-to-snare-trump
A total waste of text.
First line before the start of the fake story.
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill
In other words, a paid 'advertisement' masked as an opinion piece. The author, Mark Penn, writes 'opinion' pieces for Fox News.
Penn has now become a regular face on Fox News — CNN and MSNBC won’t book him — and a contributor to The Hill’s right-leaning editorial pages. There, he has repeatedly bashed the Mueller investigation as a “partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again” — followed up by more TV hits on Fox.
Penn may be alone in his view of himself as a maverick willing to speak truth to power even if it’s unpopular with his own party. In interviews with his former colleagues, most said they see a much more common human story at play: a man who lost his home in his own party, both ideologically and personally, someone who hasn’t been consulted by Democratic presidential candidates in years, who is suddenly finding political relevance again by spouting — whether he intends them to be or not — what amount to pro-Trump talking points.
Most of that newfound relevance is coming from the right. The Republican National Committee spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany recently tweeted a Penn column, calling it a “MUST READ.” Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee linked to a Penn column in which he called former Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s plea deal an attempt to “set up” the president, writing, “I defer to Mark Penn.”
White House aides often rely on Harris polls — a company Penn acquired last year — to show the president how he’s doing with blue collar voters, and an aide said Trump was aware of Penn's commentary, mostly from seeing him on TV.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/31/mark-penn-clinton-strategist-mueller-investigation-donald-trump-219622
What does to tell you: Trump donated money to Bill and Hillary Clinton. Ivanka, his favorite, is a Democrat. Trump said in 2008: "Hillary would make a GREAT president!"
Make America Great Again wrote:
What does that tell you about the Presidential candidate who hired him has the campaign manager for 2008?
Fake News wrote:
A total waste of text.
First line before the start of the fake story.
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill
In other words, a paid 'advertisement' masked as an opinion piece. The author, Mark Penn, writes 'opinion' pieces for Fox News.
Painful Piles wrote:
zerohedge
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We know who you are.
https://russia-insider.com/en/zero_hedge_1Russia Today wrote:
Painful Piles wrote:
zerohedge
= Russia Today
Russia Today (RT) is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government. It operates pay television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia, as well as providing Internet content in English. RT is a propaganda outlet for the Russian government. RT spreads disinformation.
Deep State = Russia Conspiracy
Racket wrote:
Sub Z wrote:
Will I get to keep my SUV if I want to keep my SUV?
This is one thing I refuse to bend on. I'm all about curbing climate change and reducing emissions but I will drill my own oil and refine my own gas before I ever drive an electric car I swear to God especially an electric sedan.
You are free to your opinion, but I will never go back to a gas car.
Gas cars are awful to drive. When I have to go from my EV to a gas car it feels like I've gone from driving a jet plane to driving a dump truck. Plus, I love never needing to visit a smelly gas station.
Racket wrote:
agip wrote:
many people don't understand the electric cars can be faster than gasoline cars - electrics can pull forward all the torque the engine can provide, instantaneously.
Yeah they get torque instantly so they pull at the line faster and that's it. There's no replacement for displacement though (except a huge mf'in turbo or supercharger). In 2050, I will drive around town in my original 1984 Audi Quattro rally car (that I will have one day) getting like 10 miles to the gallon while everyone in their electric struggles to go up a wet hill.
The king of hill climbing is an EV. Check out the winner of this year's Pike's Peak Hill Climb. And the EV did it faster than any gas care ever.
Fat hurts wrote:
Racket wrote:
This is one thing I refuse to bend on. I'm all about curbing climate change and reducing emissions but I will drill my own oil and refine my own gas before I ever drive an electric car I swear to God especially an electric sedan.
You are free to your opinion, but I will never go back to a gas car.
Gas cars are awful to drive. When I have to go from my EV to a gas car it feels like I've gone from driving a jet plane to driving a dump truck. Plus, I love never needing to visit a smelly gas station.
Probably because you're driving a Toyota Corolla or a Chevy Malibu. I would also hate driving if I had to subject myself to such torture. Plus, I like being able to drive more than a 10 mile radius from my house. Plus, wtf kind of smelly gas stations are you going to?
Fat hurts wrote:
The king of hill climbing is an EV. Check out the winner of this year's Pike's Peak Hill Climb. And the EV did it faster than any gas care ever.
First of all, the "king of hill climbing" will forever be the Audi Sport Quattro. Second, good for VW putting up an electric car, because I hate Tesla and all their annoying fanboys and would love for VW/Audi to put them out of business.
And furthermore!!! Isn't there at least one study out there somewhere (maybe) that shows the nickel and cobalt in those EV batteries are just as bad for the environment and the overall carbon footprint is the same as a regular car? I think I remember seeing that at one point so HA!
Racket wrote:
And furthermore!!! Isn't there at least one study out there somewhere (maybe) that shows the nickel and cobalt in those EV batteries are just as bad for the environment and the overall carbon footprint is the same as a regular car? I think I remember seeing that at one point so HA!
You DO NOT understand the difference between a one-time issue (nickel and cobalt) and polluting during every single mile you drive. So, do not compare manufacturing issues to use issues.
FYI: All cars are loaded with hazardous materials—electric or gasoline or diesel. AND, all gasoline car batteries are loaded with lovely lead.
https://www.wired.com/2012/02/study-shows-what-hazardous-materials-lurk-in-car-interiors/