Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Make America Great Again wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Tiny knew that lots of voters would turn away from him if they found out the truth. That's why he illegally hid the payments and committed a felony.

No one pays hush money openly, whether they are running for an office or not. If Trump claims the payment was to protect his marriage and he didn't know it was illegal, then the prosecution has the burden to disprove it beyond reasonable doubt. And just because Cohen has accepted the prosecution's account of events, that does not mean it is an established fact. It only means Cohen did not dispute that account.

Do they have any physical evidence other than the leaked tape? (That tape does not prove that Trump "knowingly and willfully" violated the FECA.)

I think it’s all about context.

Do a lot of people equate lying about an affair with lying about and committing felony campaign finance violations by paying off someone you are having an affair with?

DJT should pull a Clinton and confess to the affair on TV and say he was just trying to protect his marriage.

Alan

Flaggy, I agree with most of your post above but I still don’t see Trump leaving office before 2020. There is simply no way enough GOP Senators would vote or even threaten to vote for conviction after impeachment. So, I don’t think he’ll be removed and I don’t see why he would resign.

Instead, I think he’ll dig in and really go all out to try and win in 2020–primarily because that would prevent (possibly) him from facing the music for at least 4 additional years—assuming the DOJ and SCOTUS stick to the status quo of not allowing a sitting president to be indicted.

The 2020 election will be the best and, in my opinion the only, way to get this idiot out of office. The problem is, who is going to run against him who could actually win? Beto? Kasich? Hickeooper? Harris? Booker? Biden?...please do not say Warren—that will not go well.

I do think Trump could lose in 2020 but right now I don’t know who would be the most likely do be able to take him down.

Runningart2004 wrote:

DJT should pull a Clinton and confess to the affair on TV and say he was just trying to protect his marriage.

Alan

Except for the fact that Melania could care less about Trump banging other women. That excuse doesn't fly because Melania said she doesn't care.

Ok. There are many reasons to believe that he won't be gone before 2020...cynicism, no faith in the political process, belief that Democrats have made more of this than is there, belief that even if horrible crimes are shown that Senate Republicans will still not vote him out. I just don't buy any of those reasons. It will be shown that he has committed just about the highest crime you can against your country, and I believe it will happen before his term is over. Those elected officials took an oath to protect the United States and the Constitution, and when the chips are down, I believe they will uphold those oaths.

I have said somewhere in this thread early on that I didn't need for him to be imprisoned, but I have changed my tune on that. What he has done is very serious, and he needs to be punished not only because of what he has done, but as a deterrent to any future person who believes they can occupy the office of the Presidency and behave similarly.

I don't have a favorite for the next President yet. Whoever it is will have lots of repairing to do.

Will I get to keep my SUV if I want to keep my SUV?

The bolded portion is my position, flaggy. Just look at the disaster that is Trump’s tenure so far. After all his shenanigans, insane statements, obvious lies—who from the GOPs side in Congress has really taken on Trump? There are some folks. But do you notice a trend among GOP Congress members that have called out Trump’s absolutely ridiculous and idiotic behavior?

The answer is they all have left or are leaving politics. There is simply no way 20+ GOP Senators will vote to convict if he is impeached. It will not happen. I am confident Mueller has some dirt / bad stuff that he has yet to reveal—I just don’t think it’s so bad that 20+ GOPers will do the right thing and vote to remove him.

Sorry, I wish it weren’t true, but the Modern day GOP is for sure party >>>> country.

2020 will be the soonest Trump is held accountable for his numerous crimes.

Sub Z wrote:

Will I get to keep my SUV if I want to keep my SUV?

This is one thing I refuse to bend on. I'm all about curbing climate change and reducing emissions but I will drill my own oil and refine my own gas before I ever drive an electric car I swear to God especially an electric sedan.

Make America Great Again wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Tiny knew that lots of voters would turn away from him if they found out the truth. That's why he illegally hid the payments and committed a felony.

No one pays hush money openly, whether they are running for an office or not. If Trump claims the payment was to protect his marriage and he didn't know it was illegal, then the prosecution has the burden to disprove it beyond reasonable doubt. And just because Cohen has accepted the prosecution's account of events, that does not mean it is an established fact. It only means Cohen did not dispute that account.

Do they have any physical evidence other than the leaked tape? (That tape does not prove that Trump "knowingly and willfully" violated the FECA.)

That’s Trump U law school stuff. The prosecution has the burden of proof to show he had intent and knew his action was unlawful. “Proof” can come in several forms and rarely is there a smoking gun. Supportive evidence will include Cohen’s testimony (he was his trusted lawyer forever - that is not debatable), timing of the payments (he chose that time for a reason), form (same), and documented paper/visual/audio evidence.

By the way, there’s no black and white, Trump could have easily wanted to hide it from melania, from the authorities, and from the public. It’s likely it was all three. Your absolute hurdle is an impossibility buddy and it doesn’t apply in practice. You are basically suggesting there has to be proof of Trump having read or heard the relevant piece of legislation. Ignorance as a defense has rarely been successful.

Here’s an easy one - do you not think that along the candidacy process Trump would have had to sign forms outlining his responsibilities and requirements as a candidate? Yes he would have. That alone is undesputable proof he was aware.

Racket wrote:

Sub Z wrote:

Will I get to keep my SUV if I want to keep my SUV?

This is one thing I refuse to bend on. I'm all about curbing climate change and reducing emissions but I will drill my own oil and refine my own gas before I ever drive an electric car I swear to God especially an electric sedan.

And why?

she doesn't care wrote:

Except for the fact that Melania could care less about Trump banging other women. That excuse doesn't fly because Melania said she doesn't care. . .

If she doesn't care then it is impossible that she could care less. Perhaps you meant that she couldn't care less.

part thousand of why the Republican Party is morally bankrupt and, along with Fox News, among the most dangerous organizations on the planet. A United States Senator saying that he doesn't care about a president committing federal crimes...if he likes the president.

"Asked if he had any concerns, Hatch said: “The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president.” Told it was alleged by SDNY, Hatch told me: “Okay but I don’t care; all I can say is he’s doing a good job as President”"

Yeah, plus as Trump has stated several times--in public--he IS a "stable genius". Isn't it simply logical that a "stable genius" who is consistently playing five-dimensional chess when the rest of us are playing checkers--would understand all the rules he needs to follow as a candidate?

Trollminator wrote:

Racket wrote:

This is one thing I refuse to bend on. I'm all about curbing climate change and reducing emissions but I will drill my own oil and refine my own gas before I ever drive an electric car I swear to God especially an electric sedan.

And why?

many people don't understand the electric cars can be faster than gasoline cars - electrics can pull forward all the torque the engine can provide, instantaneously.

Trump's "asylum crisis" is driven by people who are trying to come legally.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/10/18134707/border-crisis-asylum-caravan-illegal

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

And why?

many people don't understand the electric cars can be faster than gasoline cars - electrics can pull forward all the torque the engine can provide, instantaneously.

Yeah they get torque instantly so they pull at the line faster and that's it. There's no replacement for displacement though (except a huge mf'in turbo or supercharger). In 2050, I will drive around town in my original 1984 Audi Quattro rally car (that I will have one day) getting like 10 miles to the gallon while everyone in their electric struggles to go up a wet hill.

childcare wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I could see that.

Kellyanne is already in charge of babysitting Trump full-time. It seems everyone has to get passed her to get to Trump. John Kelly never had any control over baby Trump.

And in the news today:

Republican strategist Susan Del Perico suggested counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway.

“Someone else who hasn’t been mentioned — and only in the Trump universe would this potentially work — is Kellyanne Conway,” Pel Perico argued.

“Kellyanne was campaign manager, she knows how to handle Trump,” she continued. “She’s been in the White House for two years, so she’s seen the operations.”

“I know people are going to go berzerk on Twitter, but she’s a very smart woman,” Del Perico added.

Make America Great Again wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Tiny knew that lots of voters would turn away from him if they found out the truth. That's why he illegally hid the payments and committed a felony.

No one pays hush money openly, whether they are running for an office or not. If Trump claims the payment was to protect his marriage and he didn't know it was illegal, then the prosecution has the burden to disprove it beyond reasonable doubt. And just because Cohen has accepted the prosecution's account of events, that does not mean it is an established fact. It only means Cohen did not dispute that account.

Do they have any physical evidence other than the leaked tape? (That tape does not prove that Trump "knowingly and willfully" violated the FECA.)

They have the testimony of Cohen and others to corroborate that he knew he was making the payments to influence the election. That's all it takes. Easy conviction.

hjtw wrote:

TTH wrote:

Dems need to be careful what they wish for. Removing Trump from office by means other than being voted out could lead to 2 full terms of Mike Pence. While it would eliminate the Grand Tweeter to remove him and possibly see him indicted after the fact, I'm not sure politically that would be the best situation for the left leaning on this board.

THIS. We literally could end up with Mike Pence having the second -longest tenure of any American president. Yikes!

But I'm also one of the people who thinks that DJT has a solid chance of being re-elected.

Yeah, and Hillary would have been doing just a bang up job by about now...LOL! Dipsh*t!

Fat hurts wrote:

Make America Great Again wrote:

No one pays hush money openly, whether they are running for an office or not. If Trump claims the payment was to protect his marriage and he didn't know it was illegal, then the prosecution has the burden to disprove it beyond reasonable doubt. And just because Cohen has accepted the prosecution's account of events, that does not mean it is an established fact. It only means Cohen did not dispute that account.

Do they have any physical evidence other than the leaked tape? (That tape does not prove that Trump "knowingly and willfully" violated the FECA.)

They have the testimony of Cohen and others to corroborate that he knew he was making the payments to influence the election. That's all it takes. Easy conviction.

No, they don't. Gosh you are one dumb old man!