Ciro wrote:
I'm a white, straight male and I just don't understand that sense of victim hood. It's very unusual.
Not unusual.
Surprising perhaps. Inexplicable. Absurd. Childish. Pathetic . . . but not unusual. Otherwise Trump would not be POTUS.
Ciro wrote:
I'm a white, straight male and I just don't understand that sense of victim hood. It's very unusual.
Not unusual.
Surprising perhaps. Inexplicable. Absurd. Childish. Pathetic . . . but not unusual. Otherwise Trump would not be POTUS.
Not too unusual wrote:
Ciro wrote:
I'm a white, straight male and I just don't understand that sense of victim hood. It's very unusual.
Not unusual.
Surprising perhaps. Inexplicable. Absurd. Childish. Pathetic . . . but not unusual. Otherwise Trump would not be POTUS.
True
Ciro wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You clearly don't know Bubba. I do. I live in the South. I literally know guys called Bubba.
You and I work in front of a computer. Bubba works outdoors. Bubba works a lot harder than you or me.
Utter drivel. Cities like Dallas and Houston are full of wannabe bubba's who drive impeccably clean pick up and work in cubicles.
Those aren't the guys we're talking about.
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You clearly don't know Bubba. I do. I live in the South. I literally know guys called Bubba.
You and I work in front of a computer. Bubba works outdoors. Bubba works a lot harder than you or me.
ok man. We'll pretend that there isn't a giant work ethic problem with HS or lower educated white men in the US.
You're on board, I'm on board. We'll go with it.
Blacks aren't lazy. Whites aren't lazy. Latinos aren't lazy.
People are generally willing to work if they can get ahead. It doesn't matter who you are.
There's not a work ethic problem. There's an opportunity problem.
L L wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I will raise my hand as NOT wanting free college. I would rather support free trade school training than free college as too many people who shouldn't go to college now already. If you are poor and have the grades to get into college, it is VERY affordable. If you are not quite so poor, there are still ways to go to college cheaply including starting at a Community College.
Part of what the Democrats have done wrong is to jump on this free college bandwagon. By doing so, we are telling those who don't want to go to college or who can't go to college, that we don't value you and the career you have. We need to start to value those who work in the trades much more.
There can be a choice of publicly funded college or trade schools.
We should have progressed where process of going to college should be similar to the process of going to high school.
Or get a voucher to any certified trade school.
That can be funded by an employer tax to offset the huge corporate tax cuts.
Student savings will go right back into the economy and into corporations.
That tells those that can't go to college or don't want to go to college that there is a path to become more employable without a burden of cost upfront.
You say Democrats are wrong here. I think they are right.
The trend is already under way.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/01/05/why-free-college-tuition-is-spreading-from-cities-to-statesThe free tuition trend began in 2005 in Kalamazoo, Michigan, which launched a privately funded effort to combat its economic decline. The movement has quickly spread: Today roughly 200 localities offer young residents free tuition to local community colleges and technical schools.
In the past two years, 12 states have enacted legislation to join them.
I know it is underway. I'm just not for it. Trade school, yes, because there is a need there now AND we are at a point where we need to help the disenfranchised, and those people who would go to trade schools are the disenfranchised. To be clear, I am not for this for political reasons...I wouldn't care if the Democrats or Republicans pushed this. I am for it because I would like as many people in our country to be happy as possible.
I am NOT for free 4-year college education. There are too many people attempting college right now who have no business doing so. Here in Central Ohio, Columbus State Community College graduates just 8% attempting a Associates Degree, and only 24% get out to go attend a 4-year college (source...US News and World Report). If we offer this option for free, we will be scraping the bottom of the barrel of students, getting far too less back for our investment.
I am about as liberal in just about all ways as they come, but I am a fiscal conservative, and if I'm going to spend money, I need to see value in it. I don't see the value here.
Free trade schools though? Yep. I am all over that like stink on a monkey.
Free college isn’t primarily for getting more people into college.
It’s to reduce the financial burden of those that do go to college and get them started in their professional lives with little or no debt.
It’s an economic stimulus that also has a kicker of producing more people capable of higher earnings (paying higher taxes).
It’s fiscallly sound and has plenty of value.
Your view would not have ever gotten us public high school for all.
Watchful waiting wrote:
https://www.axios.com/mueller-investigation-report-details-court-filings-2511dd33-1928-4431-a9bb-09488ee216ef.html
Good article.
Especially for people waiting for “the” Mueller report.
There will be no single summary report.
Just a series of indictments, pleas and trials until The House has enough to impeach.
(There’s probably enough already)
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Tiny just admitted that he was working on the Moscow deal during the campaign.
He is ridiculous. He thinks that if he admits to something he shouldn't have done and then says that it was fine that he was doing it that all is ok.
He lied about business dealings he had with Russia during the campaign...flat out lied...among thousands of other ones.
Trump apologists need to stop now. He's a crook...he's an UBER crook.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Yes, Hillary is a crook and the indictments are coming soon. You won't have long to wait.
I haven't posted on this site in years but have followed this thread.
Mueller just recommended that Flynn receive NO prison times. This, almost certainly, means that Mueller has the goods.
L L wrote:
Watchful waiting wrote:
https://www.axios.com/mueller-investigation-report-details-court-filings-2511dd33-1928-4431-a9bb-09488ee216ef.htmlGood article.
Especially for people waiting for “the” Mueller report.
There will be no single summary report.
Just a series of indictments, pleas and trials until The House has enough to impeach.
(There’s probably enough already)
Wrong, again. You're still following your boy FP, eh? He's not being impeached, hardly. Read the other side of the news and you might change your mind. Here's a hint: Q
If you don't know what that means, then you are only watching Liberal Dribble Nonsense. Trump is not being impeached and by following FP, you only look more ignorant.
L L wrote:
Free college isn’t primarily for getting more people into college.
It’s to reduce the financial burden of those that do go to college and get them started in their professional lives with little or no debt.
It’s an economic stimulus that also has a kicker of producing more people capable of higher earnings (paying higher taxes).
It’s fiscallly sound and has plenty of value.
Your view would not have ever gotten us public high school for all.
I have weighed the pros and cons and don't see it like you do. Free college WILL get more people to attempt college even if that isn't the goal. That is a bad thing and a costly thing.
I do not have the same attitude about high school. Those are skills that are beneficial to all workers. A college education is not needed for all people or even most people.
Buckeye Bouncing wrote:
Yes, Hillary is ....
^^ LOOK!!! SQUIRREL!!!
Honest Gary wrote:
L L wrote:
Good article.
Especially for people waiting for “the” Mueller report.
There will be no single summary report.
Just a series of indictments, pleas and trials until The House has enough to impeach.
(There’s probably enough already)
Wrong, again. You're still following your boy FP, eh? He's not being impeached, hardly. Read the other side of the news and you might change your mind. Here's a hint: Q
If you don't know what that means, then you are only watching Liberal Dribble Nonsense. Trump is not being impeached and by following FP, you only look more ignorant.
The whole "Q Anon" thing is nonsense. Unless there is criminal involvement or aliens from space make it not so, Trump WILL be impeached. The only lingering question is whether Mueller will attempt to indict a sitting President. I don't THINK he will, but that's not 100% for sure. I do believe Mueller will likely set it up so that there can be a post-office indictment.
Trump will go down as the most corrupt President ever...by far.
And L L and no one else here for that matter is a follower of mine.
Stone has invoked the Fifth, and Mueller has asked for no prison time for Flynn based on his "substantial assistance".
So, who did Flynn give this assistance about?
You Trumpers are in massive denial. Donald J. Trump is going to have the curtain pulled back, and we will see how criminal he is. It will be so bad that even I will find some of it surprising.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Democrats lose again.
Hahahahahaha!!!!!
Democrats (aka gays) lose again!!!!!
Hahahahahaha!!!!!’
mundus vult decipi wrote:
I haven't posted on this site in years but have followed this thread.
Mueller just recommended that Flynn receive NO prison times. This, almost certainly, means that Mueller has the goods.
I missed your comment for some reason.
You are CORRECT! Mueller has the goods. I saw this coming down Fifth Avenue over a year ago when I started posting:
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wrote:
Stone has invoked the Fifth
This has been my favorite development of the whole investigation. Dude has a 0% chance and knows it. He's as bad as Manafort in terms of corruption and slimness but at least Manafort didn't go around sh!tposting on twitter and rambling all over news shows.
I remember seeing this earlier in the year :
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-adviser-roger-stone-barbara-bush-drunk-893012Certified psychopath
Things are really coming together or falling apart depending on your perspective.
Expect some manic tweets from Trump when you wake up tomorrow.
L L wrote:
Things are really coming together or falling apart depending on your perspective.
Expect some manic tweets from Trump when you wake up tomorrow.
The Tariff Man!
What an embarrassment to the US.
Mueller is a dishonorable man leading a sham investigation.