Robert Young fakes run across America

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

I wonder if it was RY's idea only, or if it was a spur of the moment thing as you suggest. Or entirely conceived and planned ahead of time. I mean why the hell else would you drive the RV there, unless maybe you want to get stuck and create confusion.

Robert Young is literally claiming to have done a half marathon in the possible time range of 0-52 minutes, based on his posted data and blog. And wonders why we question him so hard...

He would have been running almost directly into 17mph wind and it obviously continued to get hotter through the run. Those were definitely brutal running conditions. Combined with the morning mechanical issues, the pool was probably sounding nice about that time.

team1.kml wrote:

So the party line really _is_ that he ran 36 miles but the only truncated segment we have (which fits the whole timeline) is the 21.9 segment which is missing 14 miles...

Yup, I mean he says himself on FB (paraphrasing): "thats right bro, 5:15 for 36 miles, flat/downhill, what is so crazy about that".

Thing is, even though that is ridiculous, for the timeline he gives, he actually only had 3:40 to do it.

Maybe he cutoff that north turn on 163 by going "over a hill"? Still his FB claim really makes it sound like a flat/downhill road run. And any offroading unsupported there seems very very dangerous and unlikely to have happened.

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

team1.kml wrote:

The blog says that he cut through the desert and ran over a hill. I've been assuming that the 21.9 miles are a direct continuation following the segment ending at 8:18 and the suggestion was he ran straight through the desert (straight-line path along power line roads). Not sure where I got that idea, but I can't seem to find the evidence for that suggestion right now. Was there something else that suggested he made a cross-desert short cut beside the blog?

Maybe he cutoff that north turn on 163 by going "over a hill"? Still his FB claim really makes it sound like a flat/downhill road run. And any offroading unsupported there seems very very dangerous and unlikely to have happened.

Could explain RV not seeing/stopping for him I guess though.

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

Maybe he cutoff that north turn on 163 by going "over a hill"? Still his FB claim really makes it sound like a flat/downhill road run. And any offroading unsupported there seems very very dangerous and unlikely to have happened.

True, we look at Google Earth satellite imagery for any lines they might have taken.. there are few, if any options.

team1.kml wrote:

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

I wonder if it was RY's idea only, or if it was a spur of the moment thing as you suggest. Or entirely conceived and planned ahead of time. I mean why the hell else would you drive the RV there, unless maybe you want to get stuck and create confusion.

The blog suggests it was Rob's idea to drive on these sandy roads.

This is what we should expect. The London Limeys have demonstrated no capability of advanced planning. I think they thought they could take a quick short cut similar to the brief one leaving the Riverside area, but quickly got in over their heads, or at least their wheelwells. Have these guys ever driven an RV before this trip? Are they remotely familiar with the sandy soil that makes up much of the Mojave? Probably not. According to Ray and Laz, it doesn't even sound like they are too familiar with the basics of multi-day racing.

Btw, gang, nice work on the spreadsheet and graphics. If I ever commit a crime, I hope none of you are the investigators.

Riley Martin wrote:

He would have been running almost directly into 17mph wind and it obviously continued to get hotter through the run. Those were definitely brutal running conditions. Combined with the morning mechanical issues, the pool was probably sounding nice about that time.

Rob would just run behind the RV and get a huge draft, cutting through the wind. Just like what he has done in the Western half of the run. I'm hoping that anyone looks at the run will realize that running behind a vehicle is cheating because of the aerodynamic gains. For a "former pro cyclist" like Rob, he would surely know this is cheating if he actually ever placed a leg over a bike.

Riley Martin wrote:

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

Maybe he cutoff that north turn on 163 by going "over a hill"? Still his FB claim really makes it sound like a flat/downhill road run. And any offroading unsupported there seems very very dangerous and unlikely to have happened.

True, we look at Google Earth satellite imagery for any lines they might have taken.. there are few, if any options.

Not too crazy I guess.

Could explain the "desert", "hill", and lack of reunion of RY and RV.

But it'd be a death wish to attempt even 5-6 miles like that without at least a couple full bottles, and satellite imagery available to you. DOn't know if he had these things.

CoachKev wrote:

You lot forget I've seen Rob in worst states and smash out a sub 6 min mile at the lure of a sausage roll!

Rob will finish and he will show you what he is made of.

He has balls, integrity and guts something many of you obviously lack

I think you are a bigger cheater than Rob is. From your posts it is obvious you have no idea about anything related to sport, let alone being a coach.

Mileage update please wrote:

What was Rob's mileage for today, anyone????

Ran 46.4 miles on 6/15 (midnight-midnight ET)

Markus wrote:

Mileage update please wrote:

What was Rob's mileage for today, anyone????

Ran 46.4 miles on 6/15 (midnight-midnight ET)

Thanks! That's 10 miles below his required daily average to break the record.

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

Not too crazy I guess.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6886347

Could explain the "desert", "hill", and lack of reunion of RY and RV.

But it'd be a death wish to attempt even 5-6 miles like that without at least a couple full bottles, and satellite imagery available to you. DOn't know if he had these things.

Yes it would, but considering laz's take on them, who knows.. it does look like they could have got online to look and seen the possible lines:

According to that site at least, they did have signal. I wonder what those lines/paths actually look like on the ground.

More from JW on the ulist:

"Working on going back to June 1 now and to Day 1 asap.

Here is date, miles for that day (midnight to midnight), and progression of mpd needed to achieve record.

07-Jun 71.2 53.9

08-Jun 48.3 54.2

09-Jun 43.9 55.4

10-Jun 39.9 55.7

11-Jun 41.3 56.1

12-Jun 48.6 56.4

13-Jun 54.3 56.7

14-Jun 57.3 56.5

15-Jun 46.4 56.8"

Rob's last week 336.1 miles = 48.01 miles per day

Here is my interpretation of the numbers and I am sure many will disagree with me.

06- Jun Asher Delmott mentions that he didn't see Robert running at night at letsrun.com

07-Jun 71.2 Last day of glorious RV miles

08-Jun 48.3 Fighting accusations

09-Jun 43.9 Fighting accusations

10-Jun 39.9 Fighting accusations

11-Jun 41.3 Getting ready and rested for Laz

12-Jun 48.6 Laz and his team arrives

13-Jun 54.3 Rob runs as hard as he can

14-Jun 57.3 Rob runs as hard as he can but it gets harder already

15-Jun 46.4 Rob feels the pain and wishes that Laz and his team goes away

Markus

who thinks that 46 miles is a lousy result of an 18 hour effort considering that Rob "ran" 70 mile days just 10 days ago.

Markus wrote:

Rob's last week 336.1 miles = 48.01 miles per day

Here is my interpretation of the numbers and I am sure many will disagree with me.

06- Jun Asher Delmott mentions that he didn't see Robert running at night at letsrun.com

07-Jun 71.2 Last day of glorious RV miles

08-Jun 48.3 Fighting accusations

09-Jun 43.9 Fighting accusations

10-Jun 39.9 Fighting accusations

11-Jun 41.3 Getting ready and rested for Laz

12-Jun 48.6 Laz and his team arrives

13-Jun 54.3 Rob runs as hard as he can

14-Jun 57.3 Rob runs as hard as he can but it gets harder already

15-Jun 46.4 Rob feels the pain and wishes that Laz and his team goes away

Markus

who thinks that 46 miles is a lousy result of an 18 hour effort considering that Rob "ran" 70 mile days just 10 days ago.

Word.

CoachKev wrote:

You lot forget I've seen Rob in worst states and smash out a sub 6 min mile at the lure of a sausage roll!

Rob will finish and he will show you what he is made of.

He has balls, integrity and guts something many of you obviously lack

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Markus wrote:

who thinks that 46 miles is a lousy result of an 18 hour effort considering that Rob "ran" 70 mile days just 10 days ago.

Irrelevant, focus on the data. However, it is absolutely not lousy.

CoachKev wrote:

Rob will finish and he will show you what he is made of.

I think many people here want to be completely impartial and truly hope Rob does exactly that but Rob is making the data/proof part really hard to understand for no explainably good reason.

Riley Martin wrote:

CoachKev wrote:

Rob will finish and he will show you what he is made of.

I think many people here want to be completely impartial and truly hope Rob does exactly that but Rob is making the data/proof part really hard to understand for no explainably good reason.

What's the point of finishing now?

He hasn't even completed the course, never mind got any records.