BREAKING:Jama Aden's hotel in Spain raided.

tomato23 wrote:

Musaeb Balla detained

http://www.efe.com/efe/espana/deportes/detenido-el-atleta-musaeb-balla-acusado-de-colaborar-con-jama-aden/10006-2962702

The dragnet continues this morning. Nice.

Oromia family wrote:

I really feel for Genzebe whether she tests positive or not because her talent has never been in doubt. She would still be a strong contender for gold in Rio without use of any banned substance and could run 3:54 - 3:55. I guess she trusted this pervert predator without using her head. Now her presence in Aden's group has soiled the entire Dibaba family and the extended family of Derartu Tulu and others who are all very well respected for their natural talent.

Dibaba was a 4-05/4-06 1500m performer before starting training with Aden. From that point there was a sudden improvement in 1 season to 3-57 ...

clearly a good coach!

What do you want? wrote:

Triumph of the Swill wrote:

This episode has the indicators of a hit job by Seb Coe. Score points by busting dopers. First take out the Russians completely. Take out some of the top Africans. Be tough on doping, as long as it's not on your own kind of people. Who's left when the Russians and Africans are taken out? The NOP, Europeans, Limeys, Aussies, and Kiwis can rule again, like they did 30 or 50 years ago. Makes for a better show for the target audience if they can relate to the winners.

You sound annoyed that he is catching people. What do you want him to do? Ignore what is happening and let Aden's group continue doping?

In general, I'm happy to see any dopers busted. The concern I raised goes along these lines: loads of athletes are doping - Russians, Africans, Brits, Yanks, Aussies, Chinese.... The IAAF, led by Anglo/US/Nike interests, specifically targets only certain groups of dopers, leaving their golden geese free to dope as before and get a way with it.

Whether this is actually happening, I don't know. But part of the work is already done. There is already a perception among a large segment of the desired public that Russians and Africans are dirty, and just tend to be that way by nature, whereas Brits and Americans are hard-working, upstanding, ethical athletes, and any Brit or Yank who gets busted is just a bad apple.

clean 'em out wrote:

Dibaba was a 4-05/4-06 1500m performer before starting training with Aden. From that point there was a sudden improvement in 1 season to 3-57 ...

She ran 3:57 before she Jama. She went to him after she bombed out of the Olympics.

I think we are missing the big picture here. If the only way to catch dirty athletes is finding physical evidence in himes and hotels then we will never have a clean playing field. The bigger question, how are all these athletes repeatedly passing tests? How many others are doing the same thing?

Oromia family wrote:

Sounds plausible. With the ongoing development, I really feel for Genzebe whether she tests positive or not because her talent has never been in doubt. She would still be a strong contender for gold in Rio without use of any banned substance and could run 3:54 - 3:55. I guess she trusted this pervert predator without using her head. Now her presence in Aden's group has soiled the entire Dibaba family and the extended family of Derartu Tulu and others who are all very well respected for their natural talent.

You feel bad for Dibaba? Seriously? She cheated her way to the top of the mountain knowingly! David Torrence was smart enough to figure it out...

She is a grown woman 25 years old. As much as everyone has demonized Deriouch(sp?) he is the one everyone should feel sorry for he was 17 at the time, totally under the control of his coach. He actually didn't know any better and was still a kid. Dibaba 25 years old NO EXCUSE.

Oromia family wrote:

insiderz wrote:

The dibaba's sisters (Tirunesh & Ejegayehu) showed up Sunday in Sabadell camp to get ready for a 10000m on the track on wednesday night in Barcelona. Genzebe was supposed to be the pacemaker for her 2 sisters.

Source: PJ Vazel twitter

Sounds plausible. With the ongoing development, I really feel for Genzebe whether she tests positive or not because her talent has never been in doubt. She would still be a strong contender for gold in Rio without use of any banned substance and could run 3:54 - 3:55. I guess she trusted this pervert predator without using her head. Now her presence in Aden's group has soiled the entire Dibaba family and the extended family of Derartu Tulu and others who are all very well respected for their natural talent.

Per one of their interviews, Tirunesh is the one that approached Jama Aden to coach Genzebe when her times were languishing. I wouldn't feel sorry for her as she could've walked away like David Torrence and Toufik Makhloufi but the hunger to be like her sister was obvious.

I feel sorry for Tirunesh, though. An exceptional talent who probably was clean as far as I know. Now her legacy could be in tatters because of her little sister's greed.

BTW, how is this playing in Ethiopia?

gwalkerruns wrote:

I think we are missing the big picture here. If the only way to catch dirty athletes is finding physical evidence in himes and hotels then we will never have a clean playing field. The bigger question, how are all these athletes repeatedly passing tests? How many others are doing the same thing?

Of course it's not the only way. But when it does happen, it takes down a whole cadre of them.

Struck me earlier.

Is this any coincidence that this occurs the week after the Operation Puerto blood bags decision?

Sure does move the narrative along onto athletics and well off the potential Spanish footballers that could've been implicated in Puerto

gwalkerruns wrote:

I think we are missing the big picture here. If the only way to catch dirty athletes is finding physical evidence in himes and hotels then we will never have a clean playing field. The bigger question, how are all these athletes repeatedly passing tests? How many others are doing the same thing?

Exactly, this group is targeted for 3 years and the authorities can't find a way to catch them when they're glowing? Makes no sense...

The latest step in the drug apologist life cycle:

1. Africans are too nice to dope, all natural talent

2. Ok, so a few got caught, they didn't know they were doing it.

3. Ok, so a lot got caught, well it doesn't work anyway.

4. Ok, so they all got caught, it doesn't matter, all the 'western' nations are doping just as bad but are getting a pass.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

You feel bad for Dibaba? Seriously? She cheated her way to the top of the mountain knowingly! David Torrence was smart enough to figure it out...

She is a grown woman 25 years old. As much as everyone has demonized Driouch(sp?) he is the one everyone should feel sorry for he was 17 at the time, totally under the control of his coach. He actually didn't know any better and was still a kid. Dibaba 25 years old NO EXCUSE.

Yes, I feel bad for Driouch too.

Even Torrence wasn't 100% sure what Aden was doing (initially)

I can see young Driouch not getting it at all...

When Driouch figured it out and left, he got lawyered into submission...

Career over...

... but it seems Russians athletes are innocent too, as they will be in RIO !http://www.lemonde.fr/jeux-olympiques-rio-2016/article/2016/06/21/dopage-les-athletes-russes-repeches-participeront-sous-drapeau-russe-aux-jo-de-rio_4955138_4910444.html

lunacity wrote:

rojo wrote:

[quote]I love my family wrote:

Just a reminder that we need to remember everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Except if you're Russian...

rekrunner wrote:

Regarding illegal drugs, Andorra is not the place to be caught:

These aren't illegal drugs. It's a different class. I don't know what they would be called in Andorra or legally anywhere, but, generally speaking, medical use are generally described as controlled drugs. Again, generally speaking, this is not a crime.

Separately, one of the original stories claimed 27 of the 30 athletes were tested the morning of the raid. It's doubtful anyone will test positive for many reasons, but, three just walked away.

I'd be very surprised if Dibaba ends up sanctioned as a result of this.

Has anyone cobbled together a list of the 30 athletes?

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Regarding illegal drugs, Andorra is not the place to be caught:

These aren't illegal drugs. It's a different class. I don't know what they would be called in Andorra or legally anywhere, but, generally speaking, medical use are generally described as controlled drugs. Again, generally speaking, this is not a crime.

Separately, one of the original stories claimed 27 of the 30 athletes were tested the morning of the raid. It's doubtful anyone will test positive for many reasons, but, three just walked away.

I'd be very surprised if Dibaba ends up sanctioned as a result of this.

Has anyone cobbled together a list of the 30 athletes?

I agree, maybe in about 15 years time something will happen, but until then the muppets of this world will tell us that all of Aden's athletes need to be given the benefit of the doubt.

+1

gwalkerruns wrote:

I think we are missing the big picture here. If the only way to catch dirty athletes is finding physical evidence in himes and hotels then we will never have a clean playing field. The bigger question, how are all these athletes repeatedly passing tests? How many others are doing the same thing?

You need to catch up on most of Hajo Seppelt's stories on the IAAF. It's all there, and doesn't just apply to the IAAF.

I do believe there are many clean international elite athletes. None of them are good enough to podium in any given year though. It's the wanton corruption of the sports federations permitting doping and doing absolutely everything they can to keep the corruption going.

janshr khan wrote:

Struck me earlier.

Is this any coincidence that this occurs the week after the Operation Puerto blood bags decision?

Sure does move the narrative along onto athletics and well off the potential Spanish footballers that could've been implicated in Puerto

What was published about the doping at the time of Puerto is old news at this point.

Jama must have been moving quite a lot of PEDs, for quite a long time, for this to get to the level of 24 hour surveillance and criminal bust.