Everyone is gonna be saying ow when they can't keep up with jake brown
Everyone is gonna be saying ow when they can't keep up with jake brown
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Looking like NCC won over Olaf and La Crosse. Olaf was ahead through 4 but Brown was in the 110s as their 5th guy. Wintheiser over Cotton.
Here's my count (of course unofficial and includes individuals):
NCC: 7 12 44 46 58 (74 79) = 167
SO: 1 9 14 47 116 (142 147) = 187
WLA: 8 33 37 82 84 183 241 = 244
I didn't count anyone else though
lol not today, Olaf looked very good at the 6k but NCC might have snuck past them the last 2k. It's going to be close as hell
FitzyXC wrote:
Looking like NCC won over Olaf and La Crosse. Olaf was ahead through 4 but Brown was in the 110s as their 5th guy. Wintheiser over Cotton.
I will be interested to see the final results. Kelleher was out fast but fell early and seemed to get swallowed by the pack afterwards. To my eye, North Central was not running as well in November as they were in October. I'll be impressed if they can still inch out the victory.
cstad wrote:
Here's my count (of course unofficial and includes individuals):
NCC: 7 12 44 46 58 (74 79) = 167
SO: 1 9 14 47 116 (142 147) = 187
WLA: 8 33 37 82 84 183 241 = 244
I didn't count anyone else though
Impressed that you were able to tally it with that god-awful finish line angle. I guess the cameraman thought viewers would prefer to view the carnage of people slipping after the finish.
Nah that was from the scrolling individual results.
http://finishtiming.trackscoreboard.com/#/XC1
1 North Central (Ill.) 130
2 St. Olaf 143
3 Wis.-La Crosse 188
4 Washington U. 192
5 Colby 192
6 Williams 214
7 Wis.-Eau Claire 222
8 MIT 236
9 Amherst 263
10 St. Lawrence 313
As predicted easy win for NCC
That race really didn't play out the way I expected. I thought that North Central and St. Olaf would both run very well and distance themselves from the rest of the field. Obviously, St. Olaf gets hurt badly by their #5, but it was interesting to see North Central's pack stretch out so much from what it was like early in the year. In October, I would have thought it implausible that they would have only 2 All-Americans. In particular, Kelleher clearly struggled later in the year (though hard to know where he finishes without the fall today).
Sucks to suck, bro wrote:
As predicted easy win for NCC
Whoa, bro. Can't call it easy when one of our top 3 goes down after a mile... Nonetheless its a great day to be a cardinal!!!
Sucks to suck, bro wrote:
As predicted easy win for NCC
Not sure about easy, but it speaks to the strengths of their program that they were able to win on a day when the guy who ran #1 for them most of the year is scoring in the 30s. The depth on their team always impresses.
I saw Kelleher fall on the very first turn on the live stream. It looks like Jake Brown may have fallen at some point as well. I would have kind of liked to see those two teams battle on better footing-- I think it could have been just as close as last year. But that's cross-country.
It's funny to look back at the complaints about Platteville and Oshkosh not getting in now. Stout was 23rd, so I have a hard time see those as "potential top-10 teams" as some here were claiming. The west region teams actually ran pretty well-- 15th and 17th.
man, if you would have told me 3 years ago that Colby would finish top 5 at nationals I would have laughed in your face. What a turnaround for that program.
Really strong day for the New England region, putting 4 teams in the top 10
113 wrote:
I saw Kelleher fall on the very first turn on the live stream. It looks like Jake Brown may have fallen at some point as well. I would have kind of liked to see those two teams battle on better footing-- I think it could have been just as close as last year. But that's cross-country.
It's funny to look back at the complaints about Platteville and Oshkosh not getting in now. Stout was 23rd, so I have a hard time see those as "potential top-10 teams" as some here were claiming. The west region teams actually ran pretty well-- 15th and 17th.
So we're just going to ignore the fact St Thomas and Rose Hulman, two at large picks, got 2nd and 3rd to last.
In your world Oshkosh and Plateville would have both done that bad. Not at all. Committee still needs to be fired, and you need to go away from online forums.
I'm sorry your team didn't make it (not really), but grow up. Nobody's getting fired for choosing teams that finished 30th instead of teas that would've finished 25th.
Is all-american top 35?
Also, what a great win for Grant Wintheiser. He comes to a school that hadn't finished top-10 at nationals in forever and leaves with an individual title, a team title, and three top-3 finishes.
Loraz wrote:
I'm sorry your team didn't make it (not really), but grow up. Nobody's getting fired for choosing teams that finished 30th instead of teas that would've finished 25th.
I sort of think you're both right. Realistically, just because Stout was 23rd doesn't mean that teams that finished behind them in the Midwest Region would have finished behind them at Nationals. I'd say Stout didn't run particularly well today, and I suspect that other Midwest teams would have been in the top 20 if given the chance.
I'd also agree that it doesn't reflect well on the at-large process when two at-large selections finish so poorly. So yes, the committee can and should do better.
But at the end of the day, folks do just need to get over it. I think the at-large process is designed primarily to make sure that the top 10-12 teams are racing at Nationals. You have to cast a bit wider of net to make sure that happens, but you mostly are trying to avoid a situation where a trophy-challenging team is left out. That didn't happen this year- no great teams got left out.
Loraz wrote:
I'm sorry your team didn't make it (not really), but grow up. Nobody's getting fired for choosing teams that finished 30th instead of teas that would've finished 25th.
Thanks for letting me know of your uneducated background. You know that saying about assuming...
I'm from the New England region. Hop off, please. And St Thomas/Rose Hulman are top 28 teams on their best day. Oshkosh is top 3 on their best day. Plateville top 5 on their best day. It's a simple and not hard to understand fact. The committee is apparently full of a bunch of sympathetic mothers who want everyone to have a chance. This ain't elementary school. This ain't intramurals! THIS IS DIVISION THREE CROSS COUNTRY!!