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I was just looking at school records and 'best alltime lists' for various colleges in Kansas and Missouri and was stunned to see the the morons in charge at Fort Hays State are only counting times run since 1993 when FHSU switched from the NAIA to NCAA Div 2. No John Mason, Jim Biernbaum, Jon Nelson, Fred Torneden, etc. What genius made that decision? I gues anyone running at FHSU prior to 1993 doesn't exist.
keepr of stats in 4 state area wrote:
I was just looking at school records and 'best alltime lists' for various colleges in Kansas and Missouri and was stunned to see the the morons in charge at Fort Hays State are only counting times run since 1993 when FHSU switched from the NAIA to NCAA Div 2. No John Mason, Jim Biernbaum, Jon Nelson, Fred Torneden, etc. What genius made that decision? I gues anyone running at FHSU prior to 1993 doesn't exist.
That is sad; really sad and NOT RIGHT.
Being a KS T&F historian, I thought some of you may enjoy the KS All-Time Best lists:
That is fantastic Wayne. Thanks for the link!
I don't want to sound like a nitpicker because you've put a ton of work into that, I noticed you missed someone on the mens 800 list. A.J. Ellison from Leavenworth ran 1:47.69 at Tulsa in 1998 (I'm thinking he ran 1:46 after graduation). He ran 1:50.36 indoors the same year, although I don't know if that was on an oversized track.
Thanks again for the link.
Hey maybe you should talk to the guy who coached there in the time period between Coach Francis and Coach Krob. He threw all of the files in the trash before Coach Krob even got there. There is a record board in the Field House with every event possible, but as for a top 10 list, etc. good luck finding those records. Instead of having a bunch of partial and inaccurate lists, they have the school records and then also the lists you referred to because at least they were accurate for that time period since they went DII which is noted. The program obviously didn't just start in 1993. Maybe you should ask questions instead of making accusations.
Maybe you should ask? wrote:
Hey maybe you should talk to the guy who coached there in the time period between Coach Francis and Coach Krob. He threw all of the files in the trash before Coach Krob even got there. There is a record board in the Field House with every event possible, but as for a top 10 list, etc. good luck finding those records. Instead of having a bunch of partial and inaccurate lists, they have the school records and then also the lists you referred to because at least they were accurate for that time period since they went DII which is noted. The program obviously didn't just start in 1993. Maybe you should ask questions instead of making accusations.
NO, my defensive friend. No matter who was in charge during the dark days there at Hays, it is the responsibility of those in charge NOW to rectify the situaiton; not ignore it. Wise up. The current situation makes Hays look silly and ignorant and those in charge today need to figure it out.
It wouldn't be that hard to resurrect the real school records and a top 10 list from previous track brochures, school newspapers and the alumni. Get real. Sounds like lazy people to me.
Ummm, I graduated from SM South (May 1972) and then on to THE Central Missouri State University and ran post collegiate track PR's of
5k 14:05
10k 29:01
Steeple 8:42.6
Charlie
cgray wrote:
Ummm, I graduated from SM South (May 1972) and then on to THE Central Missouri State University and ran post collegiate track PR's of
5k 14:05
10k 29:01
Steeple 8:42.6
Charlie
Charlie's prs should definintely be "Kansas-listed" and he should be counted as a Kansan. He moved from Philly during his Jr year and ran his whole senior year in high school in Kansas, though he went to college in Mo. He moved back to KC in '82 and spent the next 20 years running in the KC area. I think graduating from a Kansas high school should 'cinch it' for anyone on the fence about whether to count someone as a 'kansan' for record purposes.
(from the blog, Rinksramblings, ie jayhawk)
The state of Kansas has a history of producing some quality milers and distance runners. Fans of the sport know the likes of Glenn Cunningham, Wes Santee, and Jim Ryun. Hardcore fans will know the John Lawson, Randy Smith, and Christian Smith. Occasionally one of these distance running gems will escape the clutches of Kansas, Kansas State or Wichita State like Steve Fein who went to Wisconsin before heading to Oregon or Dwight Davis who landed at Tulsa.
Then there are the kids who show talent and potential in high school but lack the credentials to go to a Division One school. I saw one such youngster run a couple of times his senior year at Free State High School. One race in particular I remember watching Mujahid Hassaballa run was four years ago at the 6A cross country regional. He chased Tim Testa from Junction City for most of the race but came up short.
Hassaballa is originally from the Sudan. He came with his parents to the United States in 1999. While he was a very good high school runner, Mujahid was never a champion. I don't think he ever broke 4:25 for the high school mile.
Like a lot of good Kansas high school distance runners that the big schools turn there nose up at Hassaballa ended up at Pittsburg State. The Gorillas are better known as a Division 2 football factory but more than a few quality track and field athletes have landed at the school located in the southeast corner of Kansas. Turns out Mujahid is one of them garnering All-American honors this spring in track. He ran the metric equivalent of a 4:07 mile. That's a pretty darn good time... and it makes him a runner that both Kansas and Kansas State would be more than happy to have on their team.
Its athletes like Hassaballa that may speak to why Kansas fired its distance coach. Doug Clark was first rate at turning very good runners into great runners. But he was having a heck of a time recruiting kids like Muhahid Hassaballa to KU. The Jayhawks have always had a problem recruiting in state with a few notable exceptions. Here's hoping that the new coach doesn't let kids like Hassaballa slip away.
Posted by Rink's Ramblings at 6:03 AM
JScott, I got a nice note from Hassaballa after the blog. ChGray... I need to write about how we used to live in fear of the guys from SMS. ;)
I was checking out the all time list. It seems besides Charlie that Alex Hallock who went to Shawnee Mission West should be listed in the steeple. I could swear he ran under 8:50 while he was at Arkansas. He ran 8:34.89.
the alltime steeple list for Kansans should be pretty good. From Randy Smith and Kent McDonald, under 8:30 to Bob Christenson around 8:34 to many other including George Mason, Steve Shadd, Mike Nixon, Marcus Canipe, Charlie Gray all around 9 flat or faster, down into the low 8:40s. And those are just the 'old guys' like me, that I can think of off the top of my head.
On the steeple front...I ran 8:38.4 and Gary Gregory's PR is 8:38.2
Hey Buddy, if you walk into the FHSU Field House you will see all of the school records listed by the indoor track from the beginning of the program and all of the people you named are listed on there.
The "top 10" list you are referring to isn't an "all-time top 10 list", it's just a list since 1993 when they went D2. It doesn't say anywhere that it's the top 10 all-time or the school records. You can make up lists for whatever you want to, there's no law against that.
If you have any questions then contact the coaching staff and I'm sure they'd like to hear your advice.
KCTrack wrote:
On the steeple front...I ran 8:38.4 and Gary Gregory's PR is 8:38.2
I should have known that. Impresive. Now that I think about it, I recall that you moved to Manhattan and set up a 'steeple training camp' in the 80s. I think I was just rattling off what I recalled from the 70s..lol..Im sure there are many more from the 80s-2009 that I'm just not aware of, at 8:59 or faster.
[quote]Think again.. wrote:
Hey Buddy, if you walk into the FHSU Field House you will see all of the school records listed by the indoor track from the beginning of the program and all of the people you named are listed on there.
The "top 10" list you are referring to isn't an "all-time top 10 list", it's just a list since 1993 when they went D2. It doesn't say anywhere that it's the top 10 all-time or the school records. You can make up lists for whatever you want to, there's no law against that.
I am glad that the 'real' school records are still on the board. Why someone would devise a 'new' top 10 list that is only from 1993 on when they went d2? That makes no sense at all; but like you said, there is no law against silliness. How about a top 10 list for for red heads or blondes, or lefthanders?
2 things that I found interesting from the Herl list: 1. I didn't realize that Mark Menefee tops the 5000 list ahead of some all-time distance greats; and 2. Nathan Leeper leads the high jump list. That sure is an appropriate name for a jumper.
Check this out, guys. Lots of memories here: