Florida with a team full of international recruits is likely going through the motions academically complete with student support fully involved. Does anyone seriously think there is academic stress going into nationals for a team of international recruits? N.C. State is a notoriously easy school academically unless one is in pre-med or engineering. Building a great team culture is always easier when external stressor, such as academic stress, is ameliorated. Agree that ND has by far the most academic culture, but BYU is not known as easy from an undergraduate academic perspective. N.C. State, Oregon, Florida are all ranked on graduate research and none are known as academically rigorous from an undergraduate perspective. Agree that this is a huge factor going into the post season. Are the athletes drained from the demands of studying or are they showing up at student support while others do the work? In many of the schools on the list the primary focus is on the athletic training. There is a reason that all of this enters the equation when recruits are deciding on a school.
At the d3 level many of the top women’s teams are Hopkins, Chicago, and MIT. None of which are - at all - easy schools
All true but the demands of D3 are nothing like elite D1. Its very hard to compete at the podium level and also be a serious student particularly when exams coincide with the XC build up period prior to nationals. Students at a Notre Dame, Stanford or Duke really have to study because the student athlete component is still intact. This is a choice athletes make when they pick a school, but there is no doubt that some programs allow a grater focus and commitment to running which is likely a factor in results. Certainly as much as a factor as tiny LACCTIC differences.
Nobody disputes that life stressors factor into performance. But LACCTiC, in effect takes that into account, since it is simply evaluating performances, regardless of the reasons they come about.
Nobody disputes that life stressors factor into performance. But LACCTiC, in effect takes that into account, since it is simply evaluating performances, regardless of the reasons they come about.
The point being that trying to claim, “It’s exam time, that’s why this team lost, not because LACCTiC predicted it”, sound’s like some major excuse-making going on.
Nobody disputes that life stressors factor into performance. But LACCTiC, in effect takes that into account, since it is simply evaluating performances, regardless of the reasons they come about.
The point being that trying to claim, “It’s exam time, that’s why this team lost, not because LACCTiC predicted it”, sound’s like some major excuse-making going on.
Possibly Kota’s reply is “the deleterious effect of scholastic work compounds by the time of Natty’s, and since BYU is a tougher school than NC State, there is no way LACCTiC can include that extra life-stressor in its prediction.” 🤷
All true but the demands of D3 are nothing like elite D1. It’s very hard to compete at the podium level and also be a serious student particularly when exams coincide with the XC build up period prior to nationals. Students at a Notre Dame, Stanford or Duke really have to study because the student athlete component is still intact. This is a choice athletes make when they pick a school, but there is no doubt that some programs allow a grater focus and commitment to running which is likely a factor in results. Certainly as much as a factor as tiny LACCTIC differences.
What type of losers will look for excuses like this? Do you want to give ND, Duke, and Stanford athletes a head start because they are taking the finals while other teams may not? Those students are supposed to be smarter, so even harder courses would be a piece of cake, and life is less stressful when everyone is spending free money from their parents with internships and job offers lined up in front of them.
Interesting. I expect Fleur Templier to be a contender for NC State’s lineup at the end of the year. She was 11th in last year’s west regional when she was at Portland. Kaylie Armitage may also be in that 7. The 5-7 spots on the team are very much up in the air.
With her performance at ACC’s, and with Putman’s tenuous slide, I agree we may see her in the lineup at Natty’s.
Neither BYU or NCSU are AAU, something I consider a minimum standard for a US university.
AAU is an elitist club. Iowa State was AAU and left because of how stupid the rules are. They dont even count research dollars for agriculture as actual research for membership.
Interesting. I expect Fleur Templier to be a contender for NC State’s lineup at the end of the year. She was 11th in last year’s west regional when she was at Portland. Kaylie Armitage may also be in that 7. The 5-7 spots on the team are very much up in the air.
So we have a poster going by the handle “OhioT&F” over on an Oregon thread, claiming to be an Wolfpack fan, and “a past parent” (whatever that’s supposed to mean), yet trying to stir up some drama on NC State.
He also claims “There’s a thread about the meet somewhere. I only casually looked it.” Is this the thread that poster is referring to?
. If somehow BYU has Hutchins close to Chamberlain then the 2 squads are very close…
It is close, with NC State under BYU by only 7pnts, if Hutchins were to run at a level equivalent to her best track 5000m of 15:16.
Here is that simulation if we: (1) award Hutchins a TiC of 15:16; (2) give the rest of the BYU five the (possibly somewhat generous?) latest TiCs from Big12’s; (3) give NC State’s five their TiCs from Nuttycombe;
So these simulations show that without Hutchins, NC State tops BYU by 39 points, and if Hutchins shows and lays down an incredible performance of a 15:16, then NC State still tops BYU by 7 points.
We can look at the Gans Creek and the PreNats results to get an idea what the finishing time of an incredible performance of 15:16TiC actually means; it’s a ~19:01, which is four seconds faster than what Jelelgo ran at PreNats.
So these simulations show that without Hutchins, NC State tops BYU by 39 points, and if Hutchins shows and lays down an incredible performance of a 15:16, then NC State still tops BYU by 7 points.
We can look at the Gans Creek and the PreNats results to get an idea what the finishing time of an incredible performance of 15:16TiC actually means; it’s a ~19:01, which is four seconds faster than what Jelelgo ran at PreNats.
And a 19:01 would be 7 secs faster than what Chamberlain ran at PreNats. We don’t see Hutchins running fast reps with Hedengren and Chamberlain posted on the gram, so although we may not know with certainty, we expect Coach Taylor has insight as to whether or not Hutchins is currently faster than Chamberlain.
Maybe the idea of Hedengren trying to slow down the race (rather than run from the gun) in order to improve BYU’s team chances is broached on the Jane Hedengren thread where one poster goes so far to ask “does Diljeet call an audible, having Jane stay with the pack for awhile, then going hard over the last 2-3k?”
I plan to do an NC State comparison with Oregon (as I did above with BYU above) in future installments.
Which of these last 4 top 50 who haven’t raced yet might still?
Noe
Bunnage
Hutchins
Tuwei
Noe does not seem to be listed for regionals/championship
Paityn Noe NOT listed for South Central Regional. Who can blame her? Redshirt and come back next year and run with that incredible Freshman class for two seasons.
Brenda Tuwei NOT listed for South Regional. Alabama is cooked yet again after losing multiple Top 7 transfers to the portal last year. What a waste.
Neither the West nor the Mountain Regionals are showing their entries for Regionals yet.
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