That's exactly what you guys are doing. You can't know whether he will beat 12:35. So far he's miles away from it.
He said it already. Pay attention.
My word, you are slow. Have you beaten 20min for 5k? I was pointing out that his claim of what I "can't know" is exactly what applies to those who insist he will take the 5k wr.
They may be relevant but they don't determine what he is capable of over a significantly longer distance.
Every md/distance runner I know (other than 800m/1500m types) and who tried it, broke their 5000m PR after breaking their 3000m PR. Jakob destroyed his 3000m PR. He ran 13 seconds slower that the current 5000m WR in a tactical race. Everything points to a sub 12:40 5000m time. How much under 12:40? Who knows?
There is no golden rule that says a 3k time will determine what an athlete does over 5k. Did it do so for Cheptegei? Everything doesn't point to sub-12:40 - that is only your speculation. He may not run faster than Fisher, who is a true 5k/10k runner.
I gotta say, I'm diggin' your trollish vibe, Mr. Armstrong. It's kinda annoying, but also makes ya think, y'know? You're onto something, for sure. We can't guarantee Jakob's gonna crush it with a 12.35 or better. None of us knows that until he gives it a real shot. But hey, a bunch of us get a kick outta talking about whether he's got it in him, based on how he's been improving. Lots of us here love chatting about these "what if" scenarios. It's always been part of sports, right? Making bets and guessing what might happen. Straight-shooters like you might make these convos a little less fun, but you also spice things up by adding a different angle. So keep doin' your thing, man!
Every md/distance runner I know (other than 800m/1500m types) and who tried it, broke their 5000m PR after breaking their 3000m PR. Jakob destroyed his 3000m PR. He ran 13 seconds slower that the current 5000m WR in a tactical race. Everything points to a sub 12:40 5000m time. How much under 12:40? Who knows?
Everything doesn't point to sub-12:40 - that is only your speculation.
That's the speculation of most of the people who follow the sport and/or are involved in it.
Yes. Every year for over 30 years. Whereas you haven't raced in over 50 years.
Yes, you are slow, since I was obviously being facetious. You take everything literally.
"Narcissists often belittle others to maintain a sense of superiority." "Dismissing your achievements, making you feel guilty for celebrating yourself, or shifting focus to what you didn’t do."
Every md/distance runner I know (other than 800m/1500m types) and who tried it, broke their 5000m PR after breaking their 3000m PR. Jakob destroyed his 3000m PR. He ran 13 seconds slower that the current 5000m WR in a tactical race. Everything points to a sub 12:40 5000m time. How much under 12:40? Who knows?
There is no golden rule that says a 3k time will determine what an athlete does over 5k. Did it do so for Cheptegei? Everything doesn't point to sub-12:40 - that is only your speculation. He may not run faster than Fisher, who is a true 5k/10k runner.
There is no golden rule you are correct, however Daniels, Gilbert, Tinman, etc. have collected thousands and thousands of results over a very long period of time and there is a very strong correlation between 3k and 5k ability. I am not saying he will run 12:35, but to say 3k ability has no correlation to 5k ability is quite silly.
Every md/distance runner I know (other than 800m/1500m types) and who tried it, broke their 5000m PR after breaking their 3000m PR. Jakob destroyed his 3000m PR. He ran 13 seconds slower that the current 5000m WR in a tactical race. Everything points to a sub 12:40 5000m time. How much under 12:40? Who knows?
There is no golden rule that says a 3k time will determine what an athlete does over 5k. Did it do so for Cheptegei? Everything doesn't point to sub-12:40 - that is only your speculation. He may not run faster than Fisher, who is a true 5k/10k runner.
The 3000m WR holders - have they also set the 5000m WR?
Bouin - no, 2 all-time
Kolehmainin - yes
Zander - no, 3 all-time
Wide - no, 4 all-time
Nurmi - yes
Kusociński - no, 8 all-time
Nielsen - no
Höckert - no, 3 all-time
Kälarne - no, 5 all-time
Hägg - yes
Reiff - no, 7 all-time
Iharos - yes
Pirie - yes
Jazy - no, 2 all-time
Herrmann - no, 4 all-time
Keino - yes
Puttemans - yes
Foster - no, 3 all-time
Rono - yes
Aouita - yes
Kiptanui - yes
Morceli - no, 11 all-time
Komen - yes
11 of those 23 have also held the 5000m WR - with the exception of Morceli who obviously could have done it in '94), all have reached the top 10 all-time.
The list of 3000m WR holders who also have won a global 5000m title is very short:
Kolehmainen, Nurmi, Reiff, Aouita, Komen
4 of those 5 have also held the 5000m WR
And Ingebrigtsen? We have to wait, he obviously he is a strong candidate.
I know their PBs much better than you do. In the 5000m they are 12:48.45 and 12:35.36 (which I have seen in the stadium).
Will Ingebrigtsen better 12:35.36? We can't know. Is the mark out of reach for him (what ever this exactly means)? We can't know this, also I strongly believe no.
You always bring your same nonsense, changing the subject and avoiding the point.
You claim to know something which you CAN'T know.
That's exactly what you guys are doing. You can't know whether he will beat 12:35. So far he's miles away from it.
You are the only one who claims to know what will here happen in the future: that Ingebrigtsen will never break the 5000m WR.
You are also the one who constantly points on the (totally obvious) fact that we so far don't know if he will break the record.
But you are also the guy who always puts Ingebrigtsen against the others combined: They beat him regularly at the big championships...
Not sure if you say this Armstrong, but Jakob Ingebrigtsen recently set the 3K world record in a time 7:17.55. He also holds the 2K WR with a time of 4:43.13.
These records at 3K and 2K are equal to a record 5K. I’ve included the mathematical proof below:
2 + 3 = 5.
If you add Ingebrigtsen’s WR times at 2K and 3K, you get 12:00.68 which is well under the current 5K WR.
I'm sure Bolt's records are also "equal" to Ingebrigtsen's or anyone else's. They don't mean he could set records at longer distances. By the same token, Ingebrigtsen's best distances are shorter distances than 5k - 2k/3k - which don't mean he must be able to run an equivalent record at nearly twice the distance. It isn't his demonstrated "sweet spot". Until he does it it remains speculation.
It isn't a mathematical equation. Athletes are better over some distances than others. The longer the distance the less likely Ingebrigtsen will excel. I wouldn't bet anything on him cutting it at 10k - a Norwegian record notwithstanding.
I'm sure Bolt's records are also "equal" to Ingebrigtsen's or anyone else's. They don't mean he could set records at longer distances. By the same token, Ingebrigtsen's best distances are shorter distances than 5k - 2k/3k - which don't mean he must be able to run an equivalent record at nearly twice the distance. It isn't his demonstrated "sweet spot". Until he does it it remains speculation.
It isn't a mathematical equation. Athletes are better over some distances than others. The longer the distance the less likely Ingebrigtsen will excel. I wouldn't bet anything on him cutting it at 10k - a Norwegian record notwithstanding.
My word, you are slow. Have you beaten 20min for 5k? I was pointing out that his claim of what I "can't know" is exactly what applies to those who insist he will take the 5k wr.
Anyone else here see a post from Armstronglivs in a thread and instantly downvote and completely ignore it? I do it always now.. his act (whether real, fake, or both) is getting quite old and annoying lol not to mention I feel bad for the guy i.e. got nothing good going on in their life so has resorted to posting on the boards 24/7.
I gotta say, I'm diggin' your trollish vibe, Mr. Armstrong. It's kinda annoying, but also makes ya think, y'know? You're onto something, for sure. We can't guarantee Jakob's gonna crush it with a 12.35 or better. None of us knows that until he gives it a real shot. But hey, a bunch of us get a kick outta talking about whether he's got it in him, based on how he's been improving. Lots of us here love chatting about these "what if" scenarios. It's always been part of sports, right? Making bets and guessing what might happen. Straight-shooters like you might make these convos a little less fun, but you also spice things up by adding a different angle. So keep doin' your thing, man!
I don't try to stop conversation; I simply argue that it can't be assumed Ingebrigtsen will break the records. That's quite upsetting around here
Yes, you are slow, since I was obviously being facetious. You take everything literally.
"Narcissists often belittle others to maintain a sense of superiority." "Dismissing your achievements, making you feel guilty for celebrating yourself, or shifting focus to what you didn’t do."
There is no golden rule that says a 3k time will determine what an athlete does over 5k. Did it do so for Cheptegei? Everything doesn't point to sub-12:40 - that is only your speculation. He may not run faster than Fisher, who is a true 5k/10k runner.
There is no golden rule you are correct, however Daniels, Gilbert, Tinman, etc. have collected thousands and thousands of results ov reer a very long period of time and there is a very strong correlation between 3k and 5k ability. I am not saying he will run 12:35, but to say 3k ability has no correlation to 5k ability is quite silly.
You misunderstand me. I am not saying there is no correlation between a 3k time and a 5k performance, only that a 3k time doesn't determine what an athlete will run over 5k. Some athletes are suited to the shorter distance, some to the longer. I wouldn't give odds on Cheptegei beating 7:20 for 3k - but there he is a with a 12:35 for the 5k - better than everyone who is faster than him over 3k.
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