Why did he finish 9th when Jakob won in the last global final they both were in if Cheptegei is so much faster?
If Jakob is faster why is he still 13 seconds slower than Cheptegei after 3 years? I can see Chebet catching up to him.
Jakob is faster in the races that matter because Cheptegei is a time trialist who ran almost 40 seconds slower than his PB in the last final where they met each other.
If Jakob is faster why is he still 13 seconds slower than Cheptegei after 3 years? I can see Chebet catching up to him.
Jakob is faster in the races that matter because Cheptegei is a time trialist who ran almost 40 seconds slower than his PB in the last final where they met each other.
Chep has Olympic golds in both the 5 and 10 as well as a slew of world titles in the 10. He’s much more than just a time trial merchant. With that said, he is not beating Jakob in a tactical 5000.
I liked Kerr up until the point he started his sh1ttalking. I'd respect him so much more if: 1. He didn't sh1t on Jakob on every podcast he was on 2. Raced more frequently (Without looking it up I'm pretty certain that among the top 10-15 guys in the 1500m/mile in the world, Kerr is the one who competes the most rarely)
Another thing: Kerr is currently in his prime years. He's 27 at the moment (turning 28 in october) most 1500m runners seem to peak somehwere between the year they turn 23 and the year they turn 27 (There are of course some exceptions, but most runners land inside that window of age). It's pretty fair to say that Jakob has some advantage age-wise compared to Kerr (he's 3 years younger). And I do wonder if Kerr will suddenly stop with his trash-talk when he realizes that he's past his prime. It will happen eventually. 3:27.79 might be his lifetime best, and it might not. He might be able to improve upon it (although I don't think it will be by a big margin). His best chance is probably in Monaco. I'm around 50/50 when it comes to him improving his PB. I'm excited for the 2025 season (both indoor and outdoor), and I'll hope we get to see as many Kerr-Jakob face-offs as possible. With Hocker, Nuguse, Kessler, Laros, Cheruiyot in the mix would be even better.
Kerr raced 13 times in 2022, 10 times in 2023, and 9 times in 2024, not including heats in any of those years. It's not hugely out of line with what others do, except Jakob, who is a massive outlier. He should probably have done one more DL in 2024 as he only managed two. Skipping out on the DL final in 2023 seems to have been an unforgivable sin to some on these boards which is fair enough, though I don't consider that to be particularly special anyway, it's just another rabbited DL, which is dumb considering it proclaims itself to be a championship race. In any case, you'll get what you want this year as Kerr has already committed to four 1500m races against the other Olympic medallists as well as a H2H against Nuguse at Millrose.
Josh has 8 finals listed on his WA page for 2024, a quarter of which are just garbage 800s used for training. He ran a whopping two 1500/mile races outside of Paris. Jakob, Cole, and Yared all ran at least 50% more total races, at least twice as many 1500s, and twice as many Diamond Leagues (3x as many in Jakob’s case).
There’s no way you’re pretending his schedule was remotely comparable to any of theirs. He deserves all the criticism he gets for this, especially after all the talk about being the best in the world and wanting to race the top guys as much as possible. We’re lucky the other three actually show up on a regular basis.
What dipsticks like you don't get is that threads like this, about how good a runner is or who is better, is mostly just a matter of opinion. But you take yourselves so seriously and can't cope with views that aren't yours. The thread began with Kerr throwing shade at Ingebrigtsen. It sure has got you fans all hot and bothered. It certainly is entertaining to see you all get so worked up.
You can't even get basic facts right about runners, like what their personal bests are, which means your opinions on who the best is holds little to no weight whatsoever.
When Ingebrigtsen hasn't improved his best time in 3 years, has only won slow tactical races and remains 13 seconds behind Cheptegei's best, with no record of achievement over the 10k, your arguments carry no more weight than wishful fantasies.
If Jakob is faster why is he still 13 seconds slower than Cheptegei after 3 years? I can see Chebet catching up to him.
Jakob is faster in the races that matter because Cheptegei is a time trialist who ran almost 40 seconds slower than his PB in the last final where they met each other.
Isn't the "time triallist" the 3:26.7 runner who hasn't won a global championship 1500 since 2021? Cheptegei, on the other hand, is the Paris Olympic champion in one of his specialist distances in a race superior to Ingebrigtsen's relatively slow 5k victory. He also holds records over the 5k/10k that Ingebrigtsen hasn't got near and likely never will.
Jakob is faster in the races that matter because Cheptegei is a time trialist who ran almost 40 seconds slower than his PB in the last final where they met each other.
Chep has Olympic golds in both the 5 and 10 as well as a slew of world titles in the 10. He’s much more than just a time trial merchant. With that said, he is not beating Jakob in a tactical 5000.
Chep has Olympic golds in both the 5 and 10 as well as a slew of world titles in the 10. He’s much more than just a time trial merchant. With that said, he is not beating Jakob in a tactical 5000.
You mean a slow 5k.
He will never beat him and he never has beaten him.
If he can"t win in a "slow" race he can make it fast. He would fail - as Ingebrigtsen in the 1500m.
You can't even get basic facts right about runners, like what their personal bests are, which means your opinions on who the best is holds little to no weight whatsoever.
When Ingebrigtsen hasn't improved his best time in 3 years, has only won slow tactical races and remains 13 seconds behind Cheptegei's best, with no record of achievement over the 10k, your arguments carry no more weight than wishful fantasies.
Again, he brings the 10000m into consideration. A distance Ingebrigtsen hasn't raced so far, who is a 1500m to 5000m runner.
Why do0esn't he compare Ingebrigtsen and Chepteei with their results here?
1500m
I: 3:26.73
C: 3:37.36
3000m
I: 7:17.55
C: 7:33.24
Our Dumbstrong hasn't any real arguments for his view, that's why he regularly brings up the 10000m (for him: 10k - he doesn't know the difference).
His reply will include: reduced to walking, 27:27, over 1 minute slower than Cheptegei, 12:48
It will not include that it's not his distance (maybe it will in the future), that Ingebrigtsen has beaten Cheptegei in all their meetings by big margins, that he hasn't raced 5000m for time so far
Chep has Olympic golds in both the 5 and 10 as well as a slew of world titles in the 10. He’s much more than just a time trial merchant. With that said, he is not beating Jakob in a tactical 5000.
You mean a slow 5k.
I mean a championship 5000. Like the ones Farah used to win that you are so fond of. 2022 is a good example. Chep led the first few laps and then settled into the pack. He could have made it as fast as he wanted to but tried to rely on his kick after winning the 10 in the same way. Jakob squeezed from 900 out and Chep went out the back door so tactics were off on that day for him. That was the only time we have seen them compete at full strength so sample size is small but hard to picture Cheptegei outkicking him if they did meet again in Budapest or Paris. In a 10000 I would roll with Cheptegei until Jakob puts down a time at that distance, he is to me an all time great 10000 runner given hardware and records. Count me in as someone who thinks Jakob is capable of breaking 12:35. It’s not a certainty, but if and when it happens that will make him the 5000 goat.
You can't even get basic facts right about runners, like what their personal bests are, which means your opinions on who the best is holds little to no weight whatsoever.
When Ingebrigtsen hasn't improved his best time in 3 years, has only won slow tactical races and remains 13 seconds behind Cheptegei's best, with no record of achievement over the 10k, your arguments carry no more weight than wishful fantasies.
Maybe the races would be faster if the world record holder decided to show up for them, but last time he did he finished 9th for some reason.
Jakob is faster in the races that matter because Cheptegei is a time trialist who ran almost 40 seconds slower than his PB in the last final where they met each other.
Isn't the "time triallist" the 3:26.7 runner who hasn't won a global championship 1500 since 2021? Cheptegei, on the other hand, is the Paris Olympic champion in one of his specialist distances in a race superior to Ingebrigtsen's relatively slow 5k victory. He also holds records over the 5k/10k that Ingebrigtsen hasn't got near and likely never will.
No, the time trialist is the person who has the world record in the event and has finished 9th, 8th and first in the last global finals they ran, not the person who doesn't have the world record and has finished first, second and fourth. I know you have a hard time with numbers, but you do know finishing second and fourth is better than finishing 8th and 9th, right?
Yet another great examples of how unique Armys brain is, having last won a global championship in the 1500 in 2021 makes Jakob a time trialist, but Cheptegei last winning a global 5000 championship in 2021 doesn't make him a time trialist in the 5000.
I mean a championship 5000. Like the ones Farah used to win that you are so fond of. 2022 is a good example. Chep led the first few laps and then settled into the pack. He could have made it as fast as he wanted to but tried to rely on his kick after winning the 10 in the same way. Jakob squeezed from 900 out and Chep went out the back door so tactics were off on that day for him. That was the only time we have seen them compete at full strength so sample size is small but hard to picture Cheptegei outkicking him if they did meet again in Budapest or Paris. In a 10000 I would roll with Cheptegei until Jakob puts down a time at that distance, he is to me an all time great 10000 runner given hardware and records. Count me in as someone who thinks Jakob is capable of breaking 12:35. It’s not a certainty, but if and when it happens that will make him the 5000 goat.
It's not a certainty; it's not even a likelihood. He has shown he is nowhere near it, despite competing over the distance for years.
As a championship 5k and 10k runner Ingebrigtsen is not in the same class as Farah and probably never will be. Farah's "Viren double" at successive Olympics may never be matched - and it certainly won't be by Ingebrigtsen. Ingebrigtsen's competitive record over the 5k is qualified by how few races he has run over the distance. Many of you assume the more he runs it the greater his chances of breaking the record; it also means the greater the chances he will be beaten.
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Yet another great examples of how unique Armys brain is, having last won a global championship in the 1500 in 2021 makes Jakob a time trialist, but Cheptegei last winning a global 5000 championship in 2021 doesn't make him a time trialist in the 5000.
That isn't how my brain works but how yours clearly doesn't. I was indicating the same arguments that dismiss Cheptegei as a "time-triallist" can be used against Ingebrigtsen in the 1500.
Isn't the "time triallist" the 3:26.7 runner who hasn't won a global championship 1500 since 2021? Cheptegei, on the other hand, is the Paris Olympic champion in one of his specialist distances in a race superior to Ingebrigtsen's relatively slow 5k victory. He also holds records over the 5k/10k that Ingebrigtsen hasn't got near and likely never will.
No, the time trialist is the person who has the world record in the event and has finished 9th, 8th and first in the last global finals they ran, not the person who doesn't have the world record and has finished first, second and fourth. I know you have a hard time with numbers, but you do know finishing second and fourth is better than finishing 8th and 9th, right?
Being Olympic champion at one of his specialty distances and a double world record holder over the championship distances is better than being the 5k winner who isn't near the record for that distance and has accomplished nothing over the longer distance.