I think David and Megan are probably referring to HR zones, not bike power zones. While there’s definitely some correlation and overlap between the two, power zones for runners are probably more compressed than you might see in full time cyclists even though their HR zones (though not 100% identical between the bike and running) stay relatively stable.
Imagine getting ready to do a hard stride, which will be faster than your mile pace, maybe it will be 4 minute mile pace, and it will last 10-15 seconds.
Then imagine that you need to film yourself do it.
Then you need to tell everyone who is watching that you love them.
Then you need to say "motherfvcker let's go!" right before your stride out
Then afterwards, your wife says to you over and over "good job babe, such a good job, that was so good babe" while holding your infant son
Imagine he does win WSER in a record time though, people here are going to lose their mind, it would be incredible. Especially if he wins in some fluky way.
Imagine he does win WSER in a record time though, people here are going to lose their mind, it would be incredible. Especially if he wins in some fluky way.
None of us here have any problem with him telling the truth and winning fair and square. It’s the lying and deception and strange performative narcisissm
I think David and Megan are probably referring to HR zones, not bike power zones. While there’s definitely some correlation and overlap between the two, power zones for runners are probably more compressed than you might see in full time cyclists even though their HR zones (though not 100% identical between the bike and running) stay relatively stable.
Right. So YOU can say what they mean. More evidence that you are a Roche account.
Cool, so maybe you can just address these items head on. And Megan, updating your Zwift weight is super easy. If you didn’t think it mattered, why have David call out all of your KOMs in videos while you were pregnant? You know that though. You guys also talk about HR being the same across running and cycling, so there’d be no compression.
Anyway, it is sad that you both have to film each other working out and incessantly tell each other how awesome and beastly you are. It’s strange and everyone, even your fans can see that. They just choose to ignore how freaking weird it is. It’s not supportive. It’s performative or worse, pathological.
Get offline for a bit. When people don’t care about you anymore, when you’re old and your kids are resentful because you spent more time training than being with them, you might just wish you had different priorities.
Here's an interesting take from Megan (hopefully you read this while lurking). On her Strava account -
"... if you are referring to my body weight (?) being at pre-pregnancy that’s funny. For free riding, no pregnant woman should have to sequentially add to their weight every week and subtract after delivery every week. For racing, yes."
So, she admits she is knowingly riding at the incorrect weight, and continues to do so. It doesn't matter because it's not a race. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't record each other on their bikes bragging about all the KOMs they are getting, touting that Megan is getting KOMs while 9 months pregnant, etc. It clearly does matter. Also, Megan claims to be so supportive of women, but here is she is potentially depriving other women of KOMs they could be claiming because it would make her feel bad to change her weight. Maybe it would have been their first KOM -- it could have changed their lives. Yes, it's just a cycling based gaming platform, but it shows the hypocrisy extends just as much to Megan as well. As I've said before, if you're willing to cheat on something that "doesn't matter", what else are you willing to do.
I don't know if I am even allowed to say this, because as we saw with Jason Koop and the Spring gel incident, if a man says something negative to Megan it's bullying.
No one will lose their minds if David wins. He and their cult followers are the only ones who think those who criticize him will freak out. He’s thinks they care that much. We don’t. That’s not what this thread is about. It’s all about the lying, narcissism, and basically stealing $ from coaching clients.
It might be better if David wins because then he can feel validated and stop lying and move on from pretending to coach.
Here's an interesting take from Megan (hopefully you read this while lurking). On her Strava account -
"... if you are referring to my body weight (?) being at pre-pregnancy that’s funny. For free riding, no pregnant woman should have to sequentially add to their weight every week and subtract after delivery every week. For racing, yes."
So, she admits she is knowingly riding at the incorrect weight, and continues to do so. It doesn't matter because it's not a race. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't record each other on their bikes bragging about all the KOMs they are getting, touting that Megan is getting KOMs while 9 months pregnant, etc. It clearly does matter. Also, Megan claims to be so supportive of women, but here is she is potentially depriving other women of KOMs they could be claiming because it would make her feel bad to change her weight. Maybe it would have been their first KOM -- it could have changed their lives. Yes, it's just a cycling based gaming platform, but it shows the hypocrisy extends just as much to Megan as well. As I've said before, if you're willing to cheat on something that "doesn't matter", what else are you willing to do.
I don't know if I am even allowed to say this, because as we saw with Jason Koop and the Spring gel incident, if a man says something negative to Megan it's bullying.
It’s the same thing as David saying his treadmill paces don’t matter while he incessantly tells the world about the exact paces and splits and makes sure to upload off his watch to get super amazing numberz!!! Hypocrites, liars, narcissists, insecure codependents… they are perfect for eachother.
Here's an interesting take from Megan (hopefully you read this while lurking). On her Strava account -
"... if you are referring to my body weight (?) being at pre-pregnancy that’s funny. For free riding, no pregnant woman should have to sequentially add to their weight every week and subtract after delivery every week. For racing, yes."
So, she admits she is knowingly riding at the incorrect weight, and continues to do so. It doesn't matter because it's not a race. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't record each other on their bikes bragging about all the KOMs they are getting, touting that Megan is getting KOMs while 9 months pregnant, etc. It clearly does matter. Also, Megan claims to be so supportive of women, but here is she is potentially depriving other women of KOMs they could be claiming because it would make her feel bad to change her weight. Maybe it would have been their first KOM -- it could have changed their lives. Yes, it's just a cycling based gaming platform, but it shows the hypocrisy extends just as much to Megan as well. As I've said before, if you're willing to cheat on something that "doesn't matter", what else are you willing to do.
I don't know if I am even allowed to say this, because as we saw with Jason Koop and the Spring gel incident, if a man says something negative to Megan it's bullying.
It’s the same thing as David saying his treadmill paces don’t matter while he incessantly tells the world about the exact paces and splits and makes sure to upload off his watch to get super amazing numberz!!! Hypocrites, liars, narcissists, insecure codependents… they are perfect for eachother.
Also isn't the kind of treadmill where he could upload the data directly from the treadmill, but he goes out of his way to use his watch?
. I have a problem with his them against us mentality. Believe me David I have no problem with inclusivity in the running community and support it like you. The way you frame it like us and those who are against us (SWAP) are against inclusivity is really awful.
Here's an interesting take from Megan (hopefully you read this while lurking). On her Strava account -
"... if you are referring to my body weight (?) being at pre-pregnancy that’s funny. For free riding, no pregnant woman should have to sequentially add to their weight every week and subtract after delivery every week. For racing, yes."
So, she admits she is knowingly riding at the incorrect weight, and continues to do so. It doesn't matter because it's not a race. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't record each other on their bikes bragging about all the KOMs they are getting, touting that Megan is getting KOMs while 9 months pregnant, etc. It clearly does matter. Also, Megan claims to be so supportive of women, but here is she is potentially depriving other women of KOMs they could be claiming because it would make her feel bad to change her weight. Maybe it would have been their first KOM -- it could have changed their lives. Yes, it's just a cycling based gaming platform, but it shows the hypocrisy extends just as much to Megan as well. As I've said before, if you're willing to cheat on something that "doesn't matter", what else are you willing to do.
I don't know if I am even allowed to say this, because as we saw with Jason Koop and the Spring gel incident, if a man says something negative to Megan it's bullying.
Yep. I saw the same thing on her Strava. She tried the whole “spreading love” thing before being defensive. Always gotta double down. Never an “oops”
. I have a problem with his them against us mentality. Believe me David I have no problem with inclusivity in the running community and support it like you. The way you frame it like us and those who are against us (SWAP) are against inclusivity is really awful.
yeah anyone who has the audacity to point out the lies of the great David Roche is a "hater" and the enemy. Ripped directly from the Trump Playbook
Here's an interesting take from Megan (hopefully you read this while lurking). On her Strava account -
"... if you are referring to my body weight (?) being at pre-pregnancy that’s funny. For free riding, no pregnant woman should have to sequentially add to their weight every week and subtract after delivery every week. For racing, yes."
So, she admits she is knowingly riding at the incorrect weight, and continues to do so. It doesn't matter because it's not a race. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't record each other on their bikes bragging about all the KOMs they are getting, touting that Megan is getting KOMs while 9 months pregnant, etc. It clearly does matter. Also, Megan claims to be so supportive of women, but here is she is potentially depriving other women of KOMs they could be claiming because it would make her feel bad to change her weight. Maybe it would have been their first KOM -- it could have changed their lives. Yes, it's just a cycling based gaming platform, but it shows the hypocrisy extends just as much to Megan as well. As I've said before, if you're willing to cheat on something that "doesn't matter", what else are you willing to do.
I don't know if I am even allowed to say this, because as we saw with Jason Koop and the Spring gel incident, if a man says something negative to Megan it's bullying.
I think the wildest thing about this situation is her bragging about “going sub 50” on Alpe du Zwift 4 weeks post c-section…
The total time it takes to complete a ’segment’ on Zwift is calculated by watts per kilogram, so if your weight is off, your time to complete said segment will be too. There’s a handy little website that calculates estimated time for ADZ: . It’s possible that at her post pregnancy weight this segment would take her 10-15 minutes longer than what she claims, at the same watts.
Welcome to the Alpe du Zwift Timing Calculator. This calculator provides you with an estimate of the time it will take for you to complete Alpe du Zwift based upon your weight and intended power target (w/kg).
So if she knows full well that her weight is wrong, but continues to brag about the time it takes her to complete a segment, then that’s just… embarrassing and pathetic, and a full blown lie.
Here's an interesting take from Megan (hopefully you read this while lurking). On her Strava account -
"... if you are referring to my body weight (?) being at pre-pregnancy that’s funny. For free riding, no pregnant woman should have to sequentially add to their weight every week and subtract after delivery every week. For racing, yes."
So, she admits she is knowingly riding at the incorrect weight, and continues to do so. It doesn't matter because it's not a race. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't record each other on their bikes bragging about all the KOMs they are getting, touting that Megan is getting KOMs while 9 months pregnant, etc. It clearly does matter. Also, Megan claims to be so supportive of women, but here is she is potentially depriving other women of KOMs they could be claiming because it would make her feel bad to change her weight. Maybe it would have been their first KOM -- it could have changed their lives. Yes, it's just a cycling based gaming platform, but it shows the hypocrisy extends just as much to Megan as well. As I've said before, if you're willing to cheat on something that "doesn't matter", what else are you willing to do.
I don't know if I am even allowed to say this, because as we saw with Jason Koop and the Spring gel incident, if a man says something negative to Megan it's bullying.
I think the wildest thing about this situation is her bragging about “going sub 50” on Alpe du Zwift 4 weeks post c-section…
The total time it takes to complete a ’segment’ on Zwift is calculated by watts per kilogram, so if your weight is off, your time to complete said segment will be too. There’s a handy little website that calculates estimated time for ADZ: . It’s possible that at her post pregnancy weight this segment would take her 10-15 minutes longer than what she claims, at the same watts.
So if she knows full well that her weight is wrong, but continues to brag about the time it takes her to complete a segment, then that’s just… embarrassing and pathetic, and a full blown lie.
A quick bit of googling tells me that, per Duke Athletics, Megan Roche was 5'6 in college. At 110lbs, that would put her BMI at 17.8. Maybe that was her college/ semi-pro running weight, but it ain't now. And that's ok (if she's being honest with herself) because bodies change over time.
Frankly, I suspect both Roches have a history of disordered eating and obsessions over their own body mass. That's why they talk so much about love pizza and carbs and such... its self talk to calm their own anxieties. Saying "don't talk about pregnant women's weight gain" really means "I don't want to talk about my pregnancy weight gain".
Her weird proclivity to cheat at video game cycling is really about lying to herself. To put an accurate number like 140 lbs. in there would be soul crushing, (which, by the way, would be a HEALTHY POST-PARTUM BMI of 22.6).
I think the wildest thing about this situation is her bragging about “going sub 50” on Alpe du Zwift 4 weeks post c-section…
The total time it takes to complete a ’segment’ on Zwift is calculated by watts per kilogram, so if your weight is off, your time to complete said segment will be too. There’s a handy little website that calculates estimated time for ADZ: . It’s possible that at her post pregnancy weight this segment would take her 10-15 minutes longer than what she claims, at the same watts.
So if she knows full well that her weight is wrong, but continues to brag about the time it takes her to complete a segment, then that’s just… embarrassing and pathetic, and a full blown lie.
A quick bit of googling tells me that, per Duke Athletics, Megan Roche was 5'6 in college. At 110lbs, that would put her BMI at 17.8. Maybe that was her college/ semi-pro running weight, but it ain't now. And that's ok (if she's being honest with herself) because bodies change over time.
Frankly, I suspect both Roches have a history of disordered eating and obsessions over their own body mass. That's why they talk so much about love pizza and carbs and such... its self talk to calm their own anxieties. Saying "don't talk about pregnant women's weight gain" really means "I don't want to talk about my pregnancy weight gain".
Her weird proclivity to cheat at video game cycling is really about lying to herself. To put an accurate number like 140 lbs. in there would be soul crushing, (which, by the way, would be a HEALTHY POST-PARTUM BMI of 22.6).
They absolutely have major issues with food and the like. The PIZZA! BURGERS! is a front. Their unwillingness to share their nutrition outside of training is emblematic of this and of course, everything you just said. I don't want to body shame anyone in any direction, but look at David. He looks deeply unwell. And for Megan, it breaks my heart that she would think of her body and athleticism any less with a different weight and/or PP body. But clearly she does...w
Here's an interesting take from Megan (hopefully you read this while lurking). On her Strava account -
"... if you are referring to my body weight (?) being at pre-pregnancy that’s funny. For free riding, no pregnant woman should have to sequentially add to their weight every week and subtract after delivery every week. For racing, yes."
So, she admits she is knowingly riding at the incorrect weight, and continues to do so. It doesn't matter because it's not a race. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't record each other on their bikes bragging about all the KOMs they are getting, touting that Megan is getting KOMs while 9 months pregnant, etc. It clearly does matter. Also, Megan claims to be so supportive of women, but here is she is potentially depriving other women of KOMs they could be claiming because it would make her feel bad to change her weight. Maybe it would have been their first KOM -- it could have changed their lives. Yes, it's just a cycling based gaming platform, but it shows the hypocrisy extends just as much to Megan as well. As I've said before, if you're willing to cheat on something that "doesn't matter", what else are you willing to do.
I don't know if I am even allowed to say this, because as we saw with Jason Koop and the Spring gel incident, if a man says something negative to Megan it's bullying.
Are the KOMs in-game koms or Strava koms? Getting an in-game kom is not that hard depending on the time of day - as it is the fastest person on Zwift who is using Zwift at that point in time. Ie the kom is not the fastest ever time on a segment if you get polka dot jersey in game. Strava koms on the other hand are usually ridiculous for Zwift
Are the KOMs in-game koms or Strava koms? Getting an in-game kom is not that hard depending on the time of day - as it is the fastest person on Zwift who is using Zwift at that point in time. Ie the kom is not the fastest ever time on a segment if you get polka dot jersey in game. Strava koms on the other hand are usually ridiculous for Zwift
Imagine he does win WSER in a record time though, people here are going to lose their mind, it would be incredible. Especially if he wins in some fluky way.
I for one hope he fails miserably. And it shocks me to say that because I’ve never pulled against anyone in this sport. Something about the Roches just doesn’t sit right with me though, and I’ve had more than my fill of David’s “look at meeee!” self promotion.
Imagine he does win WSER in a record time though, people here are going to lose their mind, it would be incredible. Especially if he wins in some fluky way.
I for one hope he fails miserably. And it shocks me to say that because I’ve never pulled against anyone in this sport. Something about the Roches just doesn’t sit right with me though, and I’ve had more than my fill of David’s “look at meeee!” self promotion.
I really hope he crashes and burns and I have also never actively rooted against anybody in this sport. What he's doing for clicks + kudos in January does not bode well for longevity to Western. And yeah, the dude is a really robust athlete and I'm not doubting his achievements but something about this and the need for external validation feels extremely fragile. He's riding a wave after Leadville, for sure, but all waves crash eventually. He's still human. But who knows what else he's doing to avoid reality....
