Female boxer taps out after two punches against biological male in the Olympic boxing

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:

quickle wrote:

Her turning out to be XY changes nothing. She was born female and is a cis female. It doesn’t matter that you have an alternate karyotype-supremacist definition, outside of this immaterial little incelforum bubble at least.

Fair enough. I am not denying that there are alternate karyotypes and some people are born with abnormal combinations of the two standard karyotypes. The science is real.

I am just wondering how XX women can have a sporting division of their own if we also use it as the de facto dumping ground for DSD athletes as well.

I am not a "hater" or anti-trans or anti-DSD women. I just don't understand why the other 99.9% of females should allow their athletic division to be the arena where these genetic anomalies are told to compete.

p.s. If you are XY and have male levels of testosterone, you do have an unfair advantage over women. That doesn't change if you were raised as a girl or dress like a girl or identify as a girl. We are talking about biology, not culture, dress, pronouns, etc, right?

kiltedrunner wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

In a letter they sent to the IOC in June 2023, the IBA made no mention of testosterone and only said “the disqualification took place after the IBA had conducted two gender tests which concluded the boxer’s DNA was that of [LONG REDACTION] chromosomes.”

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In that letter, IBA also said their definition of "women/female/girl" was "an individual with chromosome XX."

And supposing that was the only testing IBA did (Khelif's coach certainly was aware of abnormal testosterone so presumably not). Wouldn't it be prudent of IOC to investigate further given Khelif and Lin Yu Ting accepted their bans? You know, the sort of reaction you might expect from two 'women' who never got a period but noticed they were housing testicles at puberty. Instead the IOC started talking about passports and inclusion whilst women got smashed in the face.

kiltedrunner wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

In a letter they sent to the IOC in June 2023, the IBA made no mention of testosterone and only said “the disqualification took place after the IBA had conducted two gender tests which concluded the boxer’s DNA was that of [LONG REDACTION] chromosomes.”

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In that letter, IBA also said their definition of "women/female/girl" was "an individual with chromosome XX."

And supposing that was the only testing IBA did (Khelif's coach certainly was aware of abnormal testosterone so presumably not). Wouldn't it be prudent of IOC to investigate further given Khelif and Lin Yu Ting accepted their bans? You know, the sort of reaction you might expect from two 'women' who never got a period but noticed they were housing testicles at puberty. Instead the IOC started talking about passports and inclusion whilst women got smashed in the face.

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:

quickle wrote:

Her turning out to be XY changes nothing. She was born female and is a cis female. It doesn’t matter that you have an alternate karyotype-supremacist definition, outside of this immaterial little incelforum bubble at least.

Fair enough. I am not denying that there are alternate karyotypes and some people are born with abnormal combinations of the two standard karyotypes. The science is real.

I am just wondering how XX women can have a sporting division of their own if we also use it as the de facto dumping ground for DSD athletes as well.

I am not a "hater" or anti-trans or anti-DSD women. I just don't understand why the other 99.9% of females should allow their athletic division to be the arena where these genetic anomalies are told to compete.

p.s. If you are XY and have male levels of testosterone, you do have an unfair advantage over women. That doesn't change if you were raised as a girl or dress like a girl or identify as a girl. We are talking about biology, not culture, dress, pronouns, etc, right?