Biological Male Will Be Racing In Girls Division At CA State Meet

I hate to be a bubble burster but the number of trans youth who 'pass' is exceedingly close to zero. I used to work for a very large organisation where we had to check birth certificates and passports and therefore update 'amended' birth certificates for many, many trans youth (and older). I could tell each and every one of them was trans before they handed over their documents with the exception of one individual who actually did look like a girl. Gaslighting young men into thinking that no-one notices they're male (and vice versa) is not only almost certainly untrue, I'd say it borders on cruelty.

You can't induce female puberty in a male, and it's tremendously insulting to women to suggest that you can.

This.

Both/and is a thing.

You can be pro-trans/lgbtq+, kind to them and empathetic to their struggles AND still think they should be in their own divisions to ensure fairness.

One could just say "the world isn't fair" and while that is true to everyone, doing nothing doesn't solve the problem either.

That's because you are expecting to see someone who matches their birth gender. Many cis girls could look masculine and many cis boys could look feminine, too.

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Let me correct myself. They are given estrogen to induce female secondary sex characteristic. Is that still insulting?

Err...what? They approached my desk and as they approached I thought 'trans' and was proved right when they passed over their documents. On precisely zero occasions did I incorrectly guess that a non-trans person was trans. In many ways it's the ultimate test of whether or not someone 'passes' as I have no prior reason to assume they're trans; everyone had their documents checked and amended there regardless of gender.

I have posted several pictures of trans girls with their friends on this board and no one could identity which girl was trans.

I won't do that again because it is insulting to cis girls who were misgendered by posters here.

I have 3 trans friends who you can not tell were once male. One is a model that travels all over the world modeling and not one modeling agency knows she was born male(she has had all surgeries). The other two are just as gorgeous and one of them has perhaps the most feminine voice Ive heard with only breast surgery.

Can you see why that wouldn't be a representative sample? When you pick out those 1 in a 100 special cases that I mentioned in first comment and act like they're representative of the 'average' trans woman?? To be absolutely honest, the vast majority of the trans women I encountered had these things in common:

- vastly overweight

- greasy unwashed dyed hair

- hygiene issues

So it wasn't exactly a challenging task most of the time.

I cannot tell anything about the hygiene issues, but none of the teens in that USA Today photo seem to have the first two issues.

Exactly. Trans-identified females, even if they take testosterone, get the most obvious tattoos there are (like cats and flowers). They're also like 5'4"

My jaw is gaping open. Do you realize that one cannot "induce female puberty" in a male? Females are not castrated males with a dose of estrogen. They're females--people with an SRY gene, ovaries that produce eggs, a uterus in which an embryo can implant and grow into a baby, breasts that produce milk to feed that baby.

I believe one of the boys competed with boys last year.

Another one of these threads where I kinda hate everyone. The transphobes are right but also extremely hateful at the same time. Tragic

This is what all sports should adopt. It is the most inclusive.

All the that are XY are male and all the XX are female. The XY don't belong in women's sports.

If you follow the youth track circuit, you would see that the advantage exists long before puberty. With the exception of a very few gifted outliers on the girls side, the boys have an edge over the girls from the time they are in the youngest age groups.

Really? My jaw too. I didn’t think you’d think females could have an SRY gene.