Tommy Rice had a great regional meet, and seems to be finding his best stuff at the right time, but I can't help but think attempting the double on Saturday after the 4 x 800 on Friday is not an optimal plan. Focusing everything on just the 3200 might be his best bet at another state title. He's no doubt a very good miler but the 3200 pairs best with his skill set, and I think sub-9 could very well in the cards if he skipped the 1600. Even then though it's so hard to bet against Ackley in the 3200.
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ohiotrackguy wrote:
Tommy Rice had a great regional meet, and seems to be finding his best stuff at the right time, but I can't help but think attempting the double on Saturday after the 4 x 800 on Friday is not an optimal plan. Focusing everything on just the 3200 might be his best bet at another state title. He's no doubt a very good miler but the 3200 pairs best with his skill set, and I think sub-9 could very well in the cards if he skipped the 1600. Even then though it's so hard to bet against Ackley in the 3200.
I think you nailed it in your assessment of T. Rice. He'll be a factor in that 3200m race for sure. It's going to be a great race.
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Mason has no individual runners in the distance event. When was the last time the cross country state champions didn't have an individual in the 1600, 800, or 3200?
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Precisely one year ago
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ohiotrackguy wrote:
Tommy Rice had a great regional meet, and seems to be finding his best stuff at the right time, but I can't help but think attempting the double on Saturday after the 4 x 800 on Friday is not an optimal plan. Focusing everything on just the 3200 might be his best bet at another state title. He's no doubt a very good miler but the 3200 pairs best with his skill set, and I think sub-9 could very well in the cards if he skipped the 1600. Even then though it's so hard to bet against Ackley in the 3200.
I would agree. I think the only way he'd be able to win the 3200 this year is if he doesn't run the 1600. Ackley can go 4:06 in the 1600 and if he had to run 9:00/9:01 to win the 3200. Rice doesn't have Ackley's strength.
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I think if Ackley starts both 1600 and 3200 he will win both, it would be a great end to the story of Connor, my coach is good friends with his coach, so I’ve heard stories of his workouts and training, he works so hard and races so well, but he has yet to capture the illustrious individual state title in track, many though last year was his year to get one. But I think he will race well and get at least one. The field is great in both, I think it will be tougher in the 1600 for him, his patience and strength in the 3200 will give him a better opportunity, compared to some of the racers he must outlast in the 1600. But I’d watch out for Rice winning again or my sleeper pick, Eli Ilg, he went for it in indoor, running alone way ahead of the field and it almost worked, that was similar to what rice did in indoor the year he won outdoor, Rice was the only runner willing to try to race Zegarski when he took off. But with the expected temps to be over 90 during both races I think the 3200 could be up for grabs.
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mtown23 wrote:
I think if Ackley starts both 1600 and 3200 he will win both, it would be a great end to the story of Connor, my coach is good friends with his coach, so I’ve heard stories of his workouts and training, he works so hard and races so well, but he has yet to capture the illustrious individual state title in track, many though last year was his year to get one. But I think he will race well and get at least one. The field is great in both, I think it will be tougher in the 1600 for him, his patience and strength in the 3200 will give him a better opportunity, compared to some of the racers he must outlast in the 1600. But I’d watch out for Rice winning again or my sleeper pick, Eli Ilg, he went for it in indoor, running alone way ahead of the field and it almost worked, that was similar to what rice did in indoor the year he won outdoor, Rice was the only runner willing to try to race Zegarski when he took off. But with the expected temps to be over 90 during both races I think the 3200 could be up for grabs.
92?? I call that the Bob Kennedy blues. Ain’t no one running 4:05 at 92 degrees.
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Bruns wrote:
mtown23 wrote:
I think if Ackley starts both 1600 and 3200 he will win both, it would be a great end to the story of Connor, my coach is good friends with his coach, so I’ve heard stories of his workouts and training, he works so hard and races so well, but he has yet to capture the illustrious individual state title in track, many though last year was his year to get one. But I think he will race well and get at least one. The field is great in both, I think it will be tougher in the 1600 for him, his patience and strength in the 3200 will give him a better opportunity, compared to some of the racers he must outlast in the 1600. But I’d watch out for Rice winning again or my sleeper pick, Eli Ilg, he went for it in indoor, running alone way ahead of the field and it almost worked, that was similar to what rice did in indoor the year he won outdoor, Rice was the only runner willing to try to race Zegarski when he took off. But with the expected temps to be over 90 during both races I think the 3200 could be up for grabs.
92?? I call that the Bob Kennedy blues. Ain’t no one running 4:05 at 92 degrees.
Nathan Mountain was only a second off. And it was blazing that day.
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jumpshotfor3 wrote:
Mason has no individual runners in the distance event. When was the last time the cross country state champions didn't have an individual in the 1600, 800, or 3200?
Yep, just the 4x800 for them. Will they even be a factor in that race? Will they even podium? They may land spots 5-8, but would they crack the top 4?
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Peter Gibbons wrote:
jumpshotfor3 wrote:
Mason has no individual runners in the distance event. When was the last time the cross country state champions didn't have an individual in the 1600, 800, or 3200?
Yep, just the 4x800 for them. Will they even be a factor in that race? Will they even podium? They may land spots 5-8, but would they crack the top 4?
They have the talent to be top 4 the trouble is finding the right guys to put on the relay that will handle the pressure. They have 6 guys that run 1:58 or faster, 3 of which are 1:56 or faster. I'm sure they are hoping to put it together when it matters most.
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whappooooo wrote:
Bruns wrote:
92?? I call that the Bob Kennedy blues. Ain’t no one running 4:05 at 92 degrees.
Nathan Mountain was only a second off. And it was blazing that day.
It was 92 I recall yes. But nobody in this field is a Nathan Mountain. He ran 4:02.54 like 4 days later. My prediction is 4:07 tops.
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now I agree the weather such as 90+ degrees affects distance running forsure...but i also think him running 4:02 a few days later (faster than what he did at state meet days before) is more because of the competion he ran against at the meet he ran 4:02 compared to what he ran at state
4:00.02, 4:00.13, 4:00.24, and 4:02.17 i would say is a HUGE reason he ran his 4:02 (faster than what he did at the state meet even on a 90+ degree day)
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iturnleftdaily wrote:
now I agree the weather such as 90+ degrees affects distance running forsure...but i also think him running 4:02 a few days later (faster than what he did at state meet days before) is more because of the competion he ran against at the meet he ran 4:02 compared to what he ran at state
4:00.02, 4:00.13, 4:00.24, and 4:02.17 i would say is a HUGE reason he ran his 4:02 (faster than what he did at the state meet even on a 90+ degree day)
I agree with you. However, in general, I think the reason the 4:05 has stood since 1988 is because the state track meet weather has been brutal regarding heat. It has been a factor. It was not particularly hot the day Kennedy ran and if I recall D1 had the morning slot. I recall Horter’s 4:06 it was brutal that day and we know he could have done it. Mountain definitely. There are other reasons I agree but the heat has not helped.
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I don’t think starting the 3200 means he will win. He’ll be pushed in the 1600. It’s going to be hot. Most importantly, a good coach is going to tell his fresh 3200 athlete with a shot to win that they have to push the pace early to prevent Ackley from being close enough to kick.
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A sit and kick tactical race plays to Ackley’s advantage.
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Givetallugot wrote:
A sit and kick tactical race plays to Ackley’s advantage.
Exactly. Since Ackley’s full 2 mile PR is 8:51 you’re going to have to push laps 5-6 and take his kick away from him. It’ll still be tough because his strength is really high. It’ll be a tall order.
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Givetallugot wrote:
A sit and kick tactical race plays to Ackley’s advantage.
I disagree, unless you only mean advantageous for his 3200.
A sit and kick race greatly favors Dyer, who is faster than Connor.
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whappooooo wrote:
I disagree, unless you only mean advantageous for his 3200.
A sit and kick race greatly favors Dyer, who is faster than Connor.
Dyer is a hack
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Big log wrote:
whappooooo wrote:
I disagree, unless you only mean advantageous for his 3200.
A sit and kick race greatly favors Dyer, who is faster than Connor.
Dyer is a hack
Perhaps. But he's run 4:07. Watch that Wayne Invite video again... you may be doing some rethinking. Esp when he dropped the field with ease at 500 to go.
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What happened to Lancaster today? I thought they were going to go sub 7:40 and win the state title in the 4x800, not place sixth!
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