First of all, screw you liberals. Your social justice BS has made the democratic party so unelectable that it has directly led to this result. Seriously, just go kill yourselves. Nobody believes in institutional racism, gender identity or wage gaps.
Republicans, neither your church for 2000 years or the bible thought a fetus was a person and this is easily verified online.
Also, jokes on you blacks get abortions 5x more than whites.
I think it’s telling how often the rhetoric shifts to punishing women rather than saving lives. A major part of why the radicals religious right wants to ban abortion is because they think sex outside of marriage is some sort of degenerate immoral behavior.
Whether the woman views birthing a child as a "punishment" or not is up to them. If a woman consensually has sex, and a child being conceived is the result of that choice, the woman shouldn't just get to murder the child just because bringing that child to term is inconvenient to them. A mother shouldn't get to punish their child by death for her sh!tty choices just because that child's existence is an inconvenience to her. Either raise the child or give them up for adoption, but killing is not the answer. I don't share the same attitude for cases of rape and incest obviously, since that's not a woman's choice, but I still don't think abortion is the right move.
I know this sounds like "punishment" to you because you make your moral judgements based on what feels good or bad to you in the moment rather than logic and ethics, which would probably explain why liberals tend to be such miserable, angry people in general since that's such a horrible way to make decisions.
You’re implying that if the pregnancy didn’t occur by choice that it’s okay to kill the developing child.
You can’t have it both ways. We’re either talking about a fully fledged person from the moment of conception who needs to be protected by the state or we’re not and the pregnancy can be ended for whatever reason desired.
First of all, screw you liberals. Your social justice BS has made the democratic party so unelectable that it has directly led to this result. Seriously, just go kill yourselves. Nobody believes in institutional racism, gender identity or wage gaps.
Republicans, neither your church for 2000 years or the bible thought a fetus was a person and this is easily verified online.
Also, jokes on you blacks get abortions 5x more than whites.
Why are homes owned by Black people assessed at lower values than those why whites, all else being equal? Why do Black people get criminal sentences 20% longer than whites in similar circumstances with similar backgrounds?
Who is this talking point supposed to be geared towards? You think you're helping black people out by taking away their ability to choose to have an abortion? You think black people are "enslave(d)" by freedom to make a choice about the size and timing of their family? And yet you can't figure out why black people won't vote for Republicans.
Planned parenthood was started by a person who believed in eugenics - someone who did not want black people to reproduce. This is a documented fact.
In a world where everything is called racist, somehow the actually racist planned parenthood escapes the label. Shows how brainwashed people are.
What does that have to do with black women choosing to have legal abortions? Black women are making a choice to not have s child, and Republicans are taking away that choice. Planned parenthood is not tricking these women into abortions.
You guys seem to have a hard time realizing that black people have agency.
Who is this talking point supposed to be geared towards? You think you're helping black people out by taking away their ability to choose to have an abortion? You think black people are "enslave(d)" by freedom to make a choice about the size and timing of their family? And yet you can't figure out why black people won't vote for Republicans.
Planned parenthood was started by a person who believed in eugenics - someone who did not want black people to reproduce. This is a documented fact.
In a world where everything is called racist, somehow the actually racist planned parenthood escapes the label. Shows how brainwashed people are.
The United States was founded by slave owners. Should we abandon the country given this ugly history, or attempt to improve the lives of all who fall under its purview?
For years, people have been saying that pro-life people are attacking women's rights. I think this whole argument is unfair and essentially gaslighting. Pro-life people say "I believe life begins at conception. Since taking a life is murder, abortion is murder." This is what essentially they believe. Now, most of them ( in fact, literally all of the ones I know) believe abortion is okay and necessary when the mother's life is in danger or something went wrong and the baby isn't going to live, would be brain dead, die immediately after birth, etc.
It's a very simply position to understand given there's more or less a universal consensus that murder is wrong. BUT, there's no universal consensus on when life begins and there never will be. So we have to think about what's reasonable. I don't think its reasonable for one to say that birth control should be illegal because it's essentially killing life that may happen. Yes, if you didn't use birth control, then the sperm could have reached the egg, and life could have developed. But you're also admitting there's no creature that's been created with 46 chromosomes so it's not "murdering a human" to use birth control- it's "preventing a human".
But I think it's reasonable for someone to say that life begins at conception. I mean, its biologically a human. It has 46 chromosomes, DNA, everything. You can literally see the baby moving around in the ultrasound and hear the heartbeat. Of course, people may disagree, and that's fine. Personally, I can understand how someone could define life as "being viable" or even "exiting the womb".
But, pro-choice people tend to tell pro-life people "No! You don't believe the baby is a human life, you simply want to control women's bodies." Pro-choice people continue to repeatedly say that pro-life people don't actually believe the fetus is a human life, or that pro-life people only believe that because they've deluded themselves to fit their narrative and fulfill their core desire for power and controlling women. Pro-choice people essentially try to make pro-life people feel evil for their beliefs, and feel bad for fighting for the protection of life or that is their fault people have unwanted pregnancies because they didn't do enough to support sex education, pregnancy support programs, supporting poor, single mothers, supporting adoption clinics and foster-care systems, etc.. This is pretty much textbook gaslighting. In addition, most of the time, you don't even know that person so how the heck do you know what they support. And 2nd, even if all that's true, murder would still be wrong- so it wouldn't change their opinion. (Hopefully the person would care about all the other stuff, but it doesn't address where life begins).
This doesn't mean you have to agree with pro-life people. But stop with the gaslighting and actually argue their main concern. Prove to them that defining life is difficult and that since there's no consensus, you believe people should be able decide for themselves. If you acknowledge that you actually understand they are trying to protect life, you may actually get somewhere. (And with the same logic, pro-life people have to understand that pro-choice people don't view it as murder and are instead just making sure everyone has the ability to make the decisions they feel are best for them.. if the pro-life person feels inclined, they can try to persuade them why life actually begins at conception. Simply holding a sign calling someone a murderer outside an abortion clinic isn't going to do it and honestly just discredits pro-life people).
It would be at least ideologically consistent if all the anti-choice crowd said that a zygote is a fully formed person from the moment the gametes join and this it’s deserving of full rights from that moment without consideration to the circumstances of its conception. But most of them are okay with exceptions if the pregnancy didn’t occur consensually, which makes no sense if this is about defending a human life.
First of all, screw you liberals. Your social justice BS has made the democratic party so unelectable that it has directly led to this result.
You're blaming liberals for why your party is trying to take our country back to the 1800s? How pathetic. When did the Republican party get overrun by white males blaming the libs for why they are acting like religious rednecks. Who sold you on this being a good idea?
I think it’s telling how often the rhetoric shifts to punishing women rather than saving lives. A major part of why the radicals religious right wants to ban abortion is because they think sex outside of marriage is some sort of degenerate immoral behavior.
Whether the woman views birthing a child as a "punishment" or not is up to them. If a woman consensually has sex, and a child being conceived is the result of that choice, the woman shouldn't just get to murder the child just because bringing that child to term is inconvenient to them. A mother shouldn't get to punish their child by death for her sh!tty choices just because that child's existence is an inconvenience to her. Either raise the child or give them up for adoption, but killing is not the answer. I don't share the same attitude for cases of rape and incest obviously, since that's not a woman's choice, but I still don't think abortion is the right move.
I know this sounds like "punishment" to you because you make your moral judgements based on what feels good or bad to you in the moment rather than logic and ethics, which would probably explain why liberals tend to be such miserable, angry people in general since that's such a horrible way to make decisions.
Whether or not you view it as murder is up to you. I have a hard time seeing it that way. Tiny clumps of cells just can't get my sympathy I guess. The woman hating religious zealotry isn't helping.
It would be at least ideologically consistent if all the anti-choice crowd said that a zygote is a fully formed person from the moment the gametes join and this it’s deserving of full rights from that moment without consideration to the circumstances of its conception. But most of them are okay with exceptions if the pregnancy didn’t occur consensually, which makes no sense if this is about defending a human life.
I agree. But at the same time, people always say "so you believe abortion is still okay in cases of rape and incest?" If you say "yes", you're like the worst of the worst. I think people understand how terrible rape is and can't even imagine having your rapist's child... so people's emotions- along with not wanting to be viewed as a monster- lead them to saying "it's okay in cases of rape". But, ultimately, yes its inconsistent for their position, because there's no circumstance where you could kill your 1 year old.
(When you think about it, it's a very clever trick pro-choice people could be using. You get pro-life people to concede on cases of rape, and then turn around and use that to destroy their whole position... but life shouldn't be a courtroom.. humans are complex, imperfect people- most of whom are just trying to do their best, so can we just argue fairly?)
It would be at least ideologically consistent if all the anti-choice crowd said that a zygote is a fully formed person from the moment the gametes join and this it’s deserving of full rights from that moment without consideration to the circumstances of its conception. But most of them are okay with exceptions if the pregnancy didn’t occur consensually, which makes no sense if this is about defending a human life.
I agree. But at the same time, people always say "so you believe abortion is still okay in cases of rape and incest?" If you say "yes", you're like the worst of the worst. I think people understand how terrible rape is and can't even imagine having your rapist's child... so people's emotions- along with not wanting to be viewed as a monster- lead them to saying "it's okay in cases of rape". But, ultimately, yes its inconsistent for their position, because there's no circumstance where you could kill your 1 year old.
(When you think about it, it's a very clever trick pro-choice people could be using. You get pro-life people to concede on cases of rape, and then turn around and use that to destroy their whole position... but life shouldn't be a courtroom.. humans are complex, imperfect people- most of whom are just trying to do their best, so can we just argue fairly?)
Wow, HUGE typo. I meant to type: "people always say 'so you are Against abortion even in cases of rape and incest?' "
It would be at least ideologically consistent if all the anti-choice crowd said that a zygote is a fully formed person from the moment the gametes join and this it’s deserving of full rights from that moment without consideration to the circumstances of its conception. But most of them are okay with exceptions if the pregnancy didn’t occur consensually, which makes no sense if this is about defending a human life.
The only thing these azzhats value is a patriarchal system. It all boils down to their belief that in their zero sum world they stand to gain when the "others" suffer. These people elected TFG - they are morally bankrupt.
I agree. But at the same time, people always say "so you believe abortion is still okay in cases of rape and incest?" If you say "yes", you're like the worst of the worst. I think people understand how terrible rape is and can't even imagine having your rapist's child... so people's emotions- along with not wanting to be viewed as a monster- lead them to saying "it's okay in cases of rape". But, ultimately, yes its inconsistent for their position, because there's no circumstance where you could kill your 1 year old.
(When you think about it, it's a very clever trick pro-choice people could be using. You get pro-life people to concede on cases of rape, and then turn around and use that to destroy their whole position... but life shouldn't be a courtroom.. humans are complex, imperfect people- most of whom are just trying to do their best, so can we just argue fairly?)
Wow, HUGE typo. I meant to type: "people always say 'so you are Against abortion even in cases of rape and incest?' "
All that is garbage and distraction. It boils down to control of another's body and their medical decisions. There is a reason white males fiercely support this.
Whether the woman views birthing a child as a "punishment" or not is up to them. If a woman consensually has sex, and a child being conceived is the result of that choice, the woman shouldn't just get to murder the child just because bringing that child to term is inconvenient to them. A mother shouldn't get to punish their child by death for her sh!tty choices just because that child's existence is an inconvenience to her. Either raise the child or give them up for adoption, but killing is not the answer. I don't share the same attitude for cases of rape and incest obviously, since that's not a woman's choice, but I still don't think abortion is the right move.
I know this sounds like "punishment" to you because you make your moral judgements based on what feels good or bad to you in the moment rather than logic and ethics, which would probably explain why liberals tend to be such miserable, angry people in general since that's such a horrible way to make decisions.
Whether or not you view it as murder is up to you. I have a hard time seeing it that way. Tiny clumps of cells just can't get my sympathy I guess. The woman hating religious zealotry isn't helping.
Lol gotta love how these white males selectively care about unborn fetuses, but couldn't give a flying fk about them as children and adults. They even called the fetus a child LOLz. Gotta make sure those slutty women take some life long punishment!
It would be at least ideologically consistent if all the anti-choice crowd said that a zygote is a fully formed person from the moment the gametes join and this it’s deserving of full rights from that moment without consideration to the circumstances of its conception. But most of them are okay with exceptions if the pregnancy didn’t occur consensually, which makes no sense if this is about defending a human life.
I agree. But at the same time, people always say "so you believe abortion is still okay in cases of rape and incest?" If you say "yes", you're like the worst of the worst. I think people understand how terrible rape is and can't even imagine having your rapist's child... so people's emotions- along with not wanting to be viewed as a monster- lead them to saying "it's okay in cases of rape". But, ultimately, yes its inconsistent for their position, because there's no circumstance where you could kill your 1 year old.
(When you think about it, it's a very clever trick pro-choice people could be using. You get pro-life people to concede on cases of rape, and then turn around and use that to destroy their whole position... but life shouldn't be a courtroom.. humans are complex, imperfect people- most of whom are just trying to do their best, so can we just argue fairly?)
Finally somebody brings this up, it's annoying how this so frequently happens...The answer is no, abortion should not be allowed in case of rape. You're murdering a innocent unborn child for the rape perpetrated by the mother or father.