remember what they did to Milley for not being sufficiently loyal to Trump. Trump mentioned Milley today as a direct reminder of what could happen to them if they stick their neck out like Milley did against Trump.
"Pentagon pulling Gen. Milley's security detail and clearance 'immediately,' may face demotion in retirement"
I was only addressing retirement pay/benefits. But I will grant you that we're certainly in a brand new, horrible era - and getting worse by the day - where perhaps most or all past assumptions might be far less reliable.
Olden Days: Earn retirement, get it. Pay commensurate with your last permanent rank. I'm no expert, but I'd be VERY surprised if Milley's permanent rank wasn't, in fact, 4-star (O-10, the current top rank possible).
Now, it's Trump, so he'll try anything, but best guess is that Milley will still get that level of retirement pay. And that's a guy with a big (and commendable) target on his back. Most people sitting in that aud? Probably not targeted, should they resign, and perhaps even express some pre-resignation objection(s).
Again, every one of them has a generous retirement waiting for them, and high post-military earning potential. Just like Congress, we can and should (however naively) EXPECT principled behavior.
....and while it was probably implicit, and it would still be a terrible injustice, Milley wouldn't starve on a 3-star retirement, either(!). And one that he can probably earn multiples of from his new job(s) with the defense contractor, think tank, institute, university, etc.
remember what they did to Milley for not being sufficiently loyal to Trump. Trump mentioned Milley today as a direct reminder of what could happen to them if they stick their neck out like Milley did against Trump.
"Pentagon pulling Gen. Milley's security detail and clearance 'immediately,' may face demotion in retirement"
I was only addressing retirement pay/benefits. But I will grant you that we're certainly in a brand new, horrible era - and getting worse by the day - where perhaps most or all past assumptions might be far less reliable.
Olden Days: Earn retirement, get it. Pay commensurate with your last permanent rank. I'm no expert, but I'd be VERY surprised if Milley's permanent rank wasn't, in fact, 4-star (O-10, the current top rank possible).
Now, it's Trump, so he'll try anything, but best guess is that Milley will still get that level of retirement pay. And that's a guy with a big (and commendable) target on his back. Most people sitting in that aud? Probably not targeted, should they resign, and perhaps even express some pre-resignation objection(s).
Again, every one of them has a generous retirement waiting for them, and high post-military earning potential. Just like Congress, we can and should (however naively) EXPECT principled behavior.
all the stories on Milley say that the trumpers are trying to cut his pension.
every general/admiral in that room knows what trump did to Milley and they know in their gut trump could do the same to them.
That's why trump mentioned Milley today - just a pointed gun at their heads not to get all righteous and brave.
I was only addressing retirement pay/benefits. But I will grant you that we're certainly in a brand new, horrible era - and getting worse by the day - where perhaps most or all past assumptions might be far less reliable.
Olden Days: Earn retirement, get it. Pay commensurate with your last permanent rank. I'm no expert, but I'd be VERY surprised if Milley's permanent rank wasn't, in fact, 4-star (O-10, the current top rank possible).
Now, it's Trump, so he'll try anything, but best guess is that Milley will still get that level of retirement pay. And that's a guy with a big (and commendable) target on his back. Most people sitting in that aud? Probably not targeted, should they resign, and perhaps even express some pre-resignation objection(s).
Again, every one of them has a generous retirement waiting for them, and high post-military earning potential. Just like Congress, we can and should (however naively) EXPECT principled behavior.
....and while it was probably implicit, and it would still be a terrible injustice, Milley wouldn't starve on a 3-star retirement, either(!). And one that he can probably earn multiples of from his new job(s) with the defense contractor, think tank, institute, university, etc.
MIlley is radioactive - no defense contractor will hire him as long as m'aga has any control whatsoever of defense budgets.
One of trump's first acts was to punish Milley. Literally. He's that radioactive. Everyone in that room knows the story.
Hours after Trump was inaugurated as the 47th president of the United States on 20 January 2025, Milley's official portrait was removed from a Pentagon corridor where the portraits of all former chiefs are displayed.[173][174] The next day workers patched the holes and painted the wall.[175][173][174] A U.S. official told the New York Times that the White House had ordered the removal.[174] On 29 January, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suspended Milley's security clearance, withdrew the authorization for his security detail, and ordered a review of his actions as Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff with a view to demote him in rank.[176][177]
I was only addressing retirement pay/benefits. But I will grant you that we're certainly in a brand new, horrible era - and getting worse by the day - where perhaps most or all past assumptions might be far less reliable.
Olden Days: Earn retirement, get it. Pay commensurate with your last permanent rank. I'm no expert, but I'd be VERY surprised if Milley's permanent rank wasn't, in fact, 4-star (O-10, the current top rank possible).
Now, it's Trump, so he'll try anything, but best guess is that Milley will still get that level of retirement pay. And that's a guy with a big (and commendable) target on his back. Most people sitting in that aud? Probably not targeted, should they resign, and perhaps even express some pre-resignation objection(s).
Again, every one of them has a generous retirement waiting for them, and high post-military earning potential. Just like Congress, we can and should (however naively) EXPECT principled behavior.
all the stories on Milley say that the trumpers are trying to cut his pension.
every general/admiral in that room knows what trump did to Milley and they know in their gut trump could do the same to them.
That's why trump mentioned Milley today - just a pointed gun at their heads not to get all righteous and brave.
Yes, of course Trump will be Trump. But it doesn't mean that he'll succeed against Milley (as we often say, SOME parts of our system are still more-or-less working). And just like the law firms and universities and corporations, etc., we're allowed to expect leaders to stand up to him.
Starting on 9/12/2001, the amount of combat experience accumulated by the people in that auditorium is absolutely huge. Few, if any, of them are expecting any Americans to feel sorry for the awkward position that the Massive Orange POS is putting them in. Doesn't mean that we can't feel a little bad for them, they're just not anywhere near the top of the (ever-growing) list of Americans made very vulnerable by what the stupid American voters have imposed on us.
....and while it was probably implicit, and it would still be a terrible injustice, Milley wouldn't starve on a 3-star retirement, either(!). And one that he can probably earn multiples of from his new job(s) with the defense contractor, think tank, institute, university, etc.
MIlley is radioactive - no defense contractor will hire him as long as m'aga has any control whatsoever of defense budgets.
One of trump's first acts was to punish Milley. Literally. He's that radioactive. Everyone in that room knows the story.
Hours after Trump was inaugurated as the 47th president of the United States on 20 January 2025, Milley's official portrait was removed from a Pentagon corridor where the portraits of all former chiefs are displayed.[173][174] The next day workers patched the holes and painted the wall.[175][173][174] A U.S. official told the New York Times that the White House had ordered the removal.[174] On 29 January, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suspended Milley's security clearance, withdrew the authorization for his security detail, and ordered a review of his actions as Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff with a view to demote him in rank.[176][177]
With all due respect, I suspect that you may be assuming that you know more about who a defense contractor will and will not hire.
But OK, fine, let's assume he's frozen out of that. Frankly, he seemed like a pretty damn thoughtful 4-star (very many are, not too surprisingly, and he's a Princeton grad, no less, I believe). Very easy to believe he had "more profound" post-retirement plans than helping to sell tanks. Again, think tank, institute, university, 17 different boards, etc.
I'm POSITIVE that "Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff" goes really far on a resume/CV !!!!
MIlley is radioactive - no defense contractor will hire him as long as m'aga has any control whatsoever of defense budgets.
One of trump's first acts was to punish Milley. Literally. He's that radioactive. Everyone in that room knows the story.
Hours after Trump was inaugurated as the 47th president of the United States on 20 January 2025, Milley's official portrait was removed from a Pentagon corridor where the portraits of all former chiefs are displayed.[173][174] The next day workers patched the holes and painted the wall.[175][173][174] A U.S. official told the New York Times that the White House had ordered the removal.[174] On 29 January, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suspended Milley's security clearance, withdrew the authorization for his security detail, and ordered a review of his actions as Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff with a view to demote him in rank.[176][177]
With all due respect, I suspect that you may be assuming that you know more about who a defense contractor will and will not hire.
But OK, fine, let's assume he's frozen out of that. Frankly, he seemed like a pretty damn thoughtful 4-star (very many are, not too surprisingly, and he's a Princeton grad, no less, I believe). Very easy to believe he had "more profound" post-retirement plans than helping to sell tanks. Again, think tank, institute, university, 17 different boards, etc.
I'm POSITIVE that "Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff" goes really far on a resume/CV !!!!
heh you ah may be aware that trump has decided he has personal power to defund universities he personally does not like. No uni would take the chance hiring Milley. Trump would defund that university in a new york minute.
no public company would take the chance of getting the IRS and SEC sicced on them for milley.
Maybe a think tank, ok.
I think you are overlooking how trump gets great pleasure from using the full power of the federal government to punish people who stand up to him. He would do that to any org that hires milley. Radioactive.
MIlley is radioactive - no defense contractor will hire him as long as m'aga has any control whatsoever of defense budgets.
One of trump's first acts was to punish Milley. Literally. He's that radioactive. Everyone in that room knows the story.
Hours after Trump was inaugurated as the 47th president of the United States on 20 January 2025, Milley's official portrait was removed from a Pentagon corridor where the portraits of all former chiefs are displayed.[173][174] The next day workers patched the holes and painted the wall.[175][173][174] A U.S. official told the New York Times that the White House had ordered the removal.[174] On 29 January, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suspended Milley's security clearance, withdrew the authorization for his security detail, and ordered a review of his actions as Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff with a view to demote him in rank.[176][177]
With all due respect, I suspect that you may be assuming that you know more about who a defense contractor will and will not hire.
But OK, fine, let's assume he's frozen out of that. Frankly, he seemed like a pretty damn thoughtful 4-star (very many are, not too surprisingly, and he's a Princeton grad, no less, I believe). Very easy to believe he had "more profound" post-retirement plans than helping to sell tanks. Again, think tank, institute, university, 17 different boards, etc.
I'm POSITIVE that "Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff" goes really far on a resume/CV !!!!
Sorry, I forgot one: WRITE A BOOK !!!
I'm guessing that the advance on that book would be divisible by his annual 3 or 4-star retirement pay a BUNCH of times !!
With all due respect, I suspect that you may be assuming that you know more about who a defense contractor will and will not hire.
But OK, fine, let's assume he's frozen out of that. Frankly, he seemed like a pretty damn thoughtful 4-star (very many are, not too surprisingly, and he's a Princeton grad, no less, I believe). Very easy to believe he had "more profound" post-retirement plans than helping to sell tanks. Again, think tank, institute, university, 17 different boards, etc.
I'm POSITIVE that "Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff" goes really far on a resume/CV !!!!
heh you ah may be aware that trump has decided he has personal power to defund universities he personally does not like. No uni would take the chance hiring Milley. Trump would defund that university in a new york minute.
no public company would take the chance of getting the IRS and SEC sicced on them for milley.
Maybe a think tank, ok.
I think you are overlooking how trump gets great pleasure from using the full power of the federal government to punish people who stand up to him. He would do that to any org that hires milley. Radioactive.
WHATEVER the situation, Milley is a Special Forces-qualified 4-star former CJCS, and he ain't afraid, and will be just fine, financially.
None of this, of course, takes away from how far we're falling as a country, by the minute.....
heh you ah may be aware that trump has decided he has personal power to defund universities he personally does not like. No uni would take the chance hiring Milley. Trump would defund that university in a new york minute.
no public company would take the chance of getting the IRS and SEC sicced on them for milley.
Maybe a think tank, ok.
I think you are overlooking how trump gets great pleasure from using the full power of the federal government to punish people who stand up to him. He would do that to any org that hires milley. Radioactive.
WHATEVER the situation, Milley is a Special Forces-qualified 4-star former CJCS, and he ain't afraid, and will be just fine, financially.
None of this, of course, takes away from how far we're falling as a country, by the minute.....
Competing thoughts:
1) On the one hand, POTUS is, without a doubt, extremely powerful, and can do very bad things. And Trump is certainly willing.
2) On the other hand, he has a LOT of very prominent enemies. I'm not going to do the research, but it would be interesting to know if ANY of his most prominent enemies who are out of office (I'm thinking H. Clinton, Comey, Cheney, Kinzinger, etc.) have had ANY problem making a "decent living" (!) since he's been in power?
Put another way, fortunately, I suspect, we do not YET have an all-powerful king who can ruin everyone's life. ....but yes, he'd like to try.
WHATEVER the situation, Milley is a Special Forces-qualified 4-star former CJCS, and he ain't afraid, and will be just fine, financially.
None of this, of course, takes away from how far we're falling as a country, by the minute.....
Competing thoughts:
1) On the one hand, POTUS is, without a doubt, extremely powerful, and can do very bad things. And Trump is certainly willing.
2) On the other hand, he has a LOT of very prominent enemies. I'm not going to do the research, but it would be interesting to know if ANY of his most prominent enemies who are out of office (I'm thinking H. Clinton, Comey, Cheney, Kinzinger, etc.) have had ANY problem making a "decent living" (!) since he's been in power?
Put another way, fortunately, I suspect, we do not YET have an all-powerful king who can ruin everyone's life. ....but yes, he'd like to try.
....and Bolton, Esper, Mattis, Tillerson, McMaster, Wray, a handful of GOP politicians not named Cheney or Kinzinger,.......
1) On the one hand, POTUS is, without a doubt, extremely powerful, and can do very bad things. And Trump is certainly willing.
2) On the other hand, he has a LOT of very prominent enemies. I'm not going to do the research, but it would be interesting to know if ANY of his most prominent enemies who are out of office (I'm thinking H. Clinton, Comey, Cheney, Kinzinger, etc.) have had ANY problem making a "decent living" (!) since he's been in power?
Put another way, fortunately, I suspect, we do not YET have an all-powerful king who can ruin everyone's life. ....but yes, he'd like to try.
Respectfully, I used to think like this. But I no longer do. It is a version of “someone will certainly step in to save the country if things got really bad”.
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....and while it was probably implicit, and it would still be a terrible injustice, Milley wouldn't starve on a 3-star retirement, either(!). And one that he can probably earn multiples of from his new job(s) with the defense contractor, think tank, institute, university, etc.
MIlley is radioactive - no defense contractor will hire him as long as m'aga has any control whatsoever of defense budgets....
Milley is a professor of Public and International Affairs at Princeton.