Lesson learned: When "your side" is "winning," history doesn't matter. Whether you know it (and many do), or not (and yeah, many don't). But the problem is MUCH MORE with the former, not the latter. Pretending that bad isn't bad, because it's "your team."
The biggest mistake that is never learned is that when a fascist gets the power he needs there is no longer a winning side to be on. The culture war stuff and populist stuff was just to hook you into giving him power.
All these MAGA guys cheerleading Trumps autocrat constitution busting ways haven’t read a history book.
But the bolded part just isn't true for a lot of them. From many of the trailer trash up to the millions of college-educated Trump supporters, lots of them can tell you ALL ABOUT stuff from the founding/Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII, Cold War, post-9/11 stuff, etc. And sure, the emphasis is obviously on "war stuff," but the supposed principles of the country are sprinkled in there, and they could - AND DO - talk a great game about the ideals of this country. They're patriots, and they love the constitution.
And we've learned that it all actually means exactly SQUAT to them. And the clincher is that they were "talked out of it" by one of the worst humans ever to hold public office.
I am not calling Trump a fascist, but what is happening is close to play book fascism. Don't Americans learn anything about European history while in school?
Questioning science, rulers enriching themselves, more government control, people loosing trust in government, media control and much more
Explain to us in your own words how he is a fascist? You'll have to expand on your poorly concocted series of poor grammar and phrasing.
Media control - How old are you? You do realize only 7% of news journalism is conservative? Are you referring to Jimmy Kimmel? He was an employee. He had low ratings. He wasn't funny. He was put on leave by the people he works for, not Trump.
How is he enriching himself any different than he always has? Would you like me to name every single democrat who has enriched themselves by using their office? I have a long list for you.
So questioning science is now fascism>??? Haaaaaa. That's one of the most retarded things I've heard, ever. Are you referring to Tylenol? Did you read the Harvard study about it? You do realize your "science" is backed by lobbyists & profit margins?
Please explain your idea of fascism because to me, it is more like forcing vaccines, shutting down the economy and forcing people to stay indoors and show their papers when attempting to get groceries.
Trump/Administration: If we lie (about ANYTHING), or like in this case, this guy being a card-carrying Antifa member, idiots LIKE GARY will believe us. Sure, the non-idiots will roll their eyes and not believe us, but as long as the rubes believe us, we're good-to-go.
I guess that I'm slow, but for the first time, I guess that I fully understand that Trump is actually lying MORE to his own followers than he is to everyone else. As dumb as he is, he's probably smart enough to know that "everyone else" won't believe him.
.....BUT GARY WILL !!!!
Caveat: Yes, unfortunately, there is a substantial number of "swing voters" who mostly watch reality TV for 4 years, still vote in presidential elections, and who are probably way more subject to Trump lying than any human ought to be. So, yes, some of them TOO may believe that Portland is burning, daily.
Is America a GREAT country, or what ???
Why do you and all the other liberals hate America so much? Honest question, do you live here? If you do, why not look at some other country to move to? Seems pretty logical to me. I wouldn't want to live somewhere I hated. Life is too short. Haven't we learned TV news is innacurate? You hate the country because TV news is skewing the truth? Seems like whining.
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Lesson learned: When "your side" is "winning," history doesn't matter. Whether you know it (and many do), or not (and yeah, many don't). But the problem is MUCH MORE with the former, not the latter. Pretending that bad isn't bad, because it's "your team."
The biggest mistake that is never learned is that when a fascist gets the power he needs there is no longer a winning side to be on. The culture war stuff and populist stuff was just to hook you into giving him power.
All these MAGA guys cheerleading Trumps autocrat constitution busting ways haven’t read a history book.
Minor pet peeve: When MSM journalists and others frequently now talk about how the GOP is being dumb because a future non-GOP POTUS will use these powers against them.
I get the point, of course.
But boy, it still pisses me off. We shouldn't have a dictator because it's f***** wrong, and will ALWAYS lead to terrible things.
You've almost certainly been asked this question before, and probably haven't or won't answer it, but what the hell:
Gary, please write a few words explaining why you are perfectly OK with Trump lying like a fire hydrant to you on a daily basis? Sometimes 5 or 10 or more lies in a single speech or tweet or press conference. WHY, Gary? Why is that OK TO YOU?
Democrats lie a ton as well. The border is secure? Men can get pregnant? The economy is great?
They will never own up to it. They respond by yelling, name calling, assassinating, burning things.
Yesterday: We have a real chance for GREATNESS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. ALL ARE ON BOARD FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL, FIRST TIME EVER. WE WILL GET IT DONE!!! President DJT
The biggest mistake that is never learned is that when a fascist gets the power he needs there is no longer a winning side to be on. The culture war stuff and populist stuff was just to hook you into giving him power.
All these MAGA guys cheerleading Trumps autocrat constitution busting ways haven’t read a history book.
But the bolded part just isn't true for a lot of them. From many of the trailer trash up to the millions of college-educated Trump supporters, lots of them can tell you ALL ABOUT stuff from the founding/Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII, Cold War, post-9/11 stuff, etc. And sure, the emphasis is obviously on "war stuff," but the supposed principles of the country are sprinkled in there, and they could - AND DO - talk a great game about the ideals of this country. They're patriots, and they love the constitution.
And we've learned that it all actually means exactly SQUAT to them. And the clincher is that they were "talked out of it" by one of the worst humans ever to hold public office.
Minor pet peeve: When MSM journalists and others frequently now talk about how the GOP is being dumb because a future non-GOP POTUS will use these powers against them.
I get the point, of course.
But boy, it still pisses me off. We shouldn't have a dictator because it's f***** wrong, and will ALWAYS lead to terrible things.
No other reasons should matter or be emphasized.
Democrats have claimed there won’t be elections in 2026 and on. You’re telling me they lied?
But the bolded part just isn't true for a lot of them. From many of the trailer trash up to the millions of college-educated Trump supporters, lots of them can tell you ALL ABOUT stuff from the founding/Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII, Cold War, post-9/11 stuff, etc. And sure, the emphasis is obviously on "war stuff," but the supposed principles of the country are sprinkled in there, and they could - AND DO - talk a great game about the ideals of this country. They're patriots, and they love the constitution.
And we've learned that it all actually means exactly SQUAT to them. And the clincher is that they were "talked out of it" by one of the worst humans ever to hold public office.
How old are you?
Meaningless reply immediately self-up-voted !! 100% as transparent as your orange god.
Meaningless reply immediately self-up-voted !! 100% as transparent as your orange god.
No man, I'm asking honestly. Do you always have to deflect? I am trying to understand how many presidents you have lived through because some of your general historical understanding seems a bit naive & empty. Are you in your 20s?
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I am not calling Trump a fascist, but what is happening is close to play book fascism. Don't Americans learn anything about European history while in school?
Questioning science, rulers enriching themselves, more government control, people loosing trust in government, media control and much more
Explain to us in your own words how he is a fascist? You'll have to expand on your poorly concocted series of poor grammar and phrasing.
Media control - How old are you? You do realize only 7% of news journalism is conservative? Are you referring to Jimmy Kimmel? He was an employee. He had low ratings. He wasn't funny. He was put on leave by the people he works for, not Trump.
How is he enriching himself any different than he always has? Would you like me to name every single democrat who has enriched themselves by using their office? I have a long list for you.
So questioning science is now fascism>??? Haaaaaa. That's one of the most retarded things I've heard, ever. Are you referring to Tylenol? Did you read the Harvard study about it? You do realize your "science" is backed by lobbyists & profit margins?
Please explain your idea of fascism because to me, it is more like forcing vaccines, shutting down the economy and forcing people to stay indoors and show their papers when attempting to get groceries.
AI tells me:
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology defined by a dictatorial leader, the centralization of power, and the forcible suppression of opposition
. The term originated in early 20th-century Italy under Benito Mussolini, and its influence spread across Europe, most notably to Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.
Core characteristics:
While various fascist movements have their unique elements, common characteristics include:
Extreme nationalism: Fascism promotes the belief that the nation is superior and must be protected from both internal and external threats.
Authoritarian and totalitarian rule: Power is centralized under a single dictator, and the government exerts total control over all aspects of public and private life.
Cult of the leader: The leader is glorified as a savior and is often the subject of extensive propaganda that cultivates a myth of unquestionable power.
Militarism and violence: Violence is celebrated as a tool for national rejuvenation, and militaristic values are emphasized throughout society. Paramilitary groups often help intimidate and eliminate political opponents.
Suppression of opposition: Liberal democracy, communism, socialism, and other opposing political ideologies are aggressively opposed and dismantled. Political rivals are silenced, and dissent is repressed.
Scapegoating and "us vs. them" mentality: Fascist regimes use propaganda to blame a specific group (or groups) for the nation's problems. Jews, immigrants, ethnic minorities, and leftists were common targets of fascist persecution in the 20th century. Economic control: The state plays a strong role in regulating the economy with the goal of achieving national self-sufficiency (autarky). Corporate power is often protected, while labor power is suppressed.
Palingenetic ultranationalism: According to Roger Griffin's theory, a "mythic core" of fascism is a populist, ultranationalist belief in the rebirth of the nation from a state of perceived decadence or decline.
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I think both sides exhibit fascist tendencies, especially the ‘us vs them’ mindset.
The way Trump is trying to use the National Guard, his overuse of executive orders, his attempt to limit opposing views, saying ‘I am the President, I can do anything I want’ is very fascist.
I suspect that last centuries brutal fascist leaders all had a period of time where the supporters tried to normalize them like they do for Trump. And then all of the sudden the normalizing and whitewashing changed to "Damn right he is a fascist, but that is what this nation needs to make us great again".
Trump seems to already be at the point where he doesn't care for anyone sane washing what he does.
It is interesting that many on this message board that told us Trump was just a normal leader and "he never did anything too bad in his first term", leading up to the election no longer post.
We are left with hell yeah I want my Daddy Trump to be a fascist to own the libs type of Trumpers.
trump is working hard to instill fear in all he opposition.
persecution of the Comey family
firing loyal FBI agents,
committing summary executions,
ordering DOJ to indict sitting US senators
trying to kill universities
bombing countries all over the world
sending troops into American cities
calling generals to DC
destroying careers of any Rs who protest.
using 'I hate Dems, Dems are evil' talk
Trump does care about what people say and do - that's why he is so busy quashing all opposition and making everyone afraid.
That's how republics die.
This claim is riddled with exaggerations and ridiculousness. Trump never ordered or carried out “summary executions”—a wild fabrication. He did not order DOJ to indict sitting senators, nor did he “kill universities.” The troop deployments (e.g., during riots) were temporary and legally authorized under the Insurrection Act framework, a power every president has. FBI officials like Comey and McCabe weren’t punished for “loyalty,” but for misconduct identified by the Inspector General. Meanwhile, Trump reduced foreign wars compared to predecessors, sought withdrawals from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan, and brokered historic Middle East peace accords (Abraham Accords). Disagree with his rhetoric if you like, but the claim that he destroyed democracy ignores that during his presidency, Congress, courts, media, and elections all operated freely—even against him. The republic didn’t die, but your copied/ pasted Twitter arguments sure did.
Explain to us in your own words how he is a fascist? You'll have to expand on your poorly concocted series of poor grammar and phrasing.
Media control - How old are you? You do realize only 7% of news journalism is conservative? Are you referring to Jimmy Kimmel? He was an employee. He had low ratings. He wasn't funny. He was put on leave by the people he works for, not Trump.
How is he enriching himself any different than he always has? Would you like me to name every single democrat who has enriched themselves by using their office? I have a long list for you.
So questioning science is now fascism>??? Haaaaaa. That's one of the most retarded things I've heard, ever. Are you referring to Tylenol? Did you read the Harvard study about it? You do realize your "science" is backed by lobbyists & profit margins?
Please explain your idea of fascism because to me, it is more like forcing vaccines, shutting down the economy and forcing people to stay indoors and show their papers when attempting to get groceries.
AI tells me:
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology defined by a dictatorial leader, the centralization of power, and the forcible suppression of opposition
. The term originated in early 20th-century Italy under Benito Mussolini, and its influence spread across Europe, most notably to Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.
Core characteristics:
While various fascist movements have their unique elements, common characteristics include:
Extreme nationalism: Fascism promotes the belief that the nation is superior and must be protected from both internal and external threats.
Authoritarian and totalitarian rule: Power is centralized under a single dictator, and the government exerts total control over all aspects of public and private life.
Cult of the leader: The leader is glorified as a savior and is often the subject of extensive propaganda that cultivates a myth of unquestionable power.
Militarism and violence: Violence is celebrated as a tool for national rejuvenation, and militaristic values are emphasized throughout society. Paramilitary groups often help intimidate and eliminate political opponents.
Suppression of opposition: Liberal democracy, communism, socialism, and other opposing political ideologies are aggressively opposed and dismantled. Political rivals are silenced, and dissent is repressed.
Scapegoating and "us vs. them" mentality: Fascist regimes use propaganda to blame a specific group (or groups) for the nation's problems. Jews, immigrants, ethnic minorities, and leftists were common targets of fascist persecution in the 20th century. Economic control: The state plays a strong role in regulating the economy with the goal of achieving national self-sufficiency (autarky). Corporate power is often protected, while labor power is suppressed.
Palingenetic ultranationalism: According to Roger Griffin's theory, a "mythic core" of fascism is a populist, ultranationalist belief in the rebirth of the nation from a state of perceived decadence or decline.
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I think both sides exhibit fascist tendencies, especially the ‘us vs them’ mindset.
The way Trump is trying to use the National Guard, his overuse of executive orders, his attempt to limit opposing views, saying ‘I am the President, I can do anything I want’ is very fascist.
When did compromise in government die?
Alan
I do appreciate your attempt at centralism, but when really comparing Hitler to any president, they're a long ways off.
Unfortunately for A.I.'s argument, the entire judicial & legislative branches operate freely as we have all seen. How many Jews did he throw in an oven? How many Americans did Biden force to get vaccinated and show papers anywhere they went while being forced to stay at home and be ruined financially? So now being populist is fascist? Loving your country? LMAO. Goofy stuff here.
I think we all should love our country more than we currently do. I think it's ridiculous to call someone a fascist over that.
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