Anyone on here watch PKS runs? I actually really like his content. Granted, his understanding of training is limited; however, I do like his honesty and lack of toxic positivity.
However, his London marathon reaction to blowing up was so over the top! Literally wailing in tears and screaming. Don't know if he was putting it on!
I am the self procalimed sh*ttest youtube marathon runner on the platform... when i've run my marathons I usually weight around 92kg... I am probably carrying alot more timber than most people around me and i'm an extremely salty sweater... so I am not the best person to use as an example haha
The only time I got a marathon right was when I fuelled semi decently and got to 23 miles without really fading... otherwise... i'd stack up 60kg runners against 60kg runners... I am a monstrosity compared to them
Jeez, c'mon Andy, how about a NSFW warning on this one
Have just seen one of Hugo Fry’s posts on instagram from a few days ago. The caption mentions missing out on £3k due to blowing up. Wonder whether Puma were running an incentive for those in the new shoes and it’s referring to that? Would explain why Ben is Running went for such a ridiculous time goal.
At this point he’s not run a marathon he’s capable of for a couple of years, always fades or has stomach. In my opinion, he just needs to run a small pb and build some momentum and a feel good factor rather than smashing the PB to smithereens.
On a separate note, I notice every Tom, Dick and Harry who has a few followers on TikTok/instagram has been shipped half way across the world by ASICS, absolutely mental the way marketing has changed.
Yes, exactly... Puma basically offered out to every day runners (and influencers) some select places and if you got lucky, you got 2 pair of the new shoes I believe... pretty sure this ran for Boston too? but it was definitely at London... if you broke your marathon PB by over 3 minutes, Puma paid you £3k... it was the "breaking 3" project or something along those lines... that wasnt influencer exclusive, although there were some involved, it was for anyone who applied and got accepted.
Thankfully for Puma, the conditions in London that day meant their bank account was safe... bet they wished they'd got to Cole before Adidas did though... he's done a better marketing job for those Pro 4 than anyone could of done!
Have just seen one of Hugo Fry’s posts on instagram from a few days ago. The caption mentions missing out on £3k due to blowing up. Wonder whether Puma were running an incentive for those in the new shoes and it’s referring to that? Would explain why Ben is Running went for such a ridiculous time goal.
At this point he’s not run a marathon he’s capable of for a couple of years, always fades or has stomach. In my opinion, he just needs to run a small pb and build some momentum and a feel good factor rather than smashing the PB to smithereens.
On a separate note, I notice every Tom, Dick and Harry who has a few followers on TikTok/instagram has been shipped half way across the world by ASICS, absolutely mental the way marketing has changed.
It was $3000 if you ran over a 3 minute PB, $3000 to the fastest male and female under the Project 3 group (200 in total) and $3000 for the biggest PB out of that 200 too.
Lucy Jones ran 2:30 in the mass race and pocketed $9000.
Yes, exactly... Puma basically offered out to every day runners (and influencers) some select places and if you got lucky, you got 2 pair of the new shoes I believe... pretty sure this ran for Boston too? but it was definitely at London... if you broke your marathon PB by over 3 minutes, Puma paid you £3k... it was the "breaking 3" project or something along those lines... that wasnt influencer exclusive, although there were some involved, it was for anyone who applied and got accepted.
Thankfully for Puma, the conditions in London that day meant their bank account was safe... bet they wished they'd got to Cole before Adidas did though... he's done a better marketing job for those Pro 4 than anyone could of done!
Spot on. Puma paid out 15 at Boston (out of 100) and 23 at London (out of 100).
I was one of those in project but the bonus incentive was moot, due to my condition.
Day before at shakerun there were a couple of people who were guarenteed $3000. A Portuguese man with a 2:53 PB (one marathon which he'd blown up on) to beat and ran a 71 half a month ago being a good example.
People like Hugo Fry, Jasper McDowell would have probably aimed at only PB without the incentive. So could harness some of the blame.
Alex Milne, my fellow England Ultra International (I'm trying to pretend we're similar here 🤣) a 2:16 marathoner , absolutely rampaged to a 2:14 low marathon. Even though he missed it (by 30 seconds roughly) I wonder if bonus helped him in being so aspirational.
Ben Felton = 2:24:5× at Valencia so 2:25 marathoner really which equates to a 2:26:30 at London as any clues up runner will appreciate. Was it that lactate testing that was way off and gave him an overblown sense of confidence? Or perhaps poor advice from his coach?
Either way, not a good advert for all the kit, shoe, supplement, travel and coaching sponsors.
All that gear but no idea!
Ben ran a 1.06 half marathon in Feb and had had a decent block of mileage with a few trips to Kenya thrown in. Even the neigh sayers on here seemed to think he would perform better
Yeah, looks like ASICS flew him and a load of other folks there to promote the launch of their new shoe.
I don't mind Ben, so not directed to him personally, but getting pretty sick of the profligate and extravagant nature of the current running boom.
I don't even follow most of the culprits, like Konfluzi, but still get to see what a wonderful time they are all having getting flown around the world for #PR and #AD features thanks to the algorithms. Kind of becoming a bit sickening given the wider context of the global economy.
Yeah, looks like ASICS flew him and a load of other folks there to promote the launch of their new shoe.
I don't mind Ben, so not directed to him personally, but getting pretty sick of the profligate and extravagant nature of the current running boom.
I don't even follow most of the culprits, like Konfluzi, but still get to see what a wonderful time they are all having getting flown around the world for #PR and #AD features thanks to the algorithms. Kind of becoming a bit sickening given the wider context of the global economy.
Shall we start a peasants' uprising?
My guess is that this is the last big trip of the era. Shoes about to become scarce!
Ermm the literature is pretty clear that body size does play a large role in thermal balance. And there's tons of evidence about heat adaption, individual variability etc. Do you not think it's weird how there's some triathletes and cyclists that perform really well in heat, and others in the cold? Or do you just think the latter aren't trying heat protocols? The top runners are all similar body shape/sizes so you don't see as much variation variation at the very pointy end of elite running as in other sports.
I like Sage but as the awesome sauce 'the water evaporating changes the carb composition' wtf-ery shows why you might not want to reply on the appeal to authority.
Yes he's right in that people could have started at PB minus 5 minute pace and been fine, but if it's your one marathon for the year and all your training through spring has suggested you're going to be faster than PB pace then you'll probably set off at PB pace or quicker. Only about 10 miles in do you realise that the heat is more of a factor than you'd thought.
The “heat” is a poor excuse as there were literally no headwinds to battle this year.
2024 we had 10mph winds west to east (ie a headwind for close to 2/3s of the race).
2023 it chucked it down with rain and was very cold / windy.
London simply doesn’t get perfect conditions but I’d say 2025 was the best of the past few years.
We had a different experience in 2023. I don't recall rain (maybe some drizzle) but I do recall overheating near the end despite it being like 15°C (yes I do overheat easily).
Actually, I've always wondered how he can have such good running form and he practically runs professionally, yet his race times are so poor. He has quite a good forefoot strike, but he doesn't even run many marathons anymore, probably because they'd be around +3:30. Some British runners (EdBudd...) have much worse running form and they have a 9 to 5 job, yet their times are similar.
Why don’t more people talk about how Floberg said he was going to run an OTQ in the next couple years. This was 2 marathon cycles ago for him now. He should never live that down.
THIS. When a lack of respect for the distance and a juicer meet you get a Floberg. Dude went from unable to crack 3 to suddenly running 2:35…fishy. And as of a year ago he was talking about an OTQ…no doubt he’s about to drop a summer of speed video on us. Hopefully we get more content where he’s interviewing himself in a half lit room 60 minutes style. Color me inspired!
I am of very similar initial training, ability, and results as Floberg. So I genuinely was following the guy, and SO happy when he ran the 2:48. That I thought was a possible reach goal, but then things got super off the rails with 2:39 and then even faster than that, in a short timespan, without really running that much mileage it seemed (2 intense runs a week though).
So while I refuse to just accuse anyone of doping...if it were the case, does anyone have an idea of what it would be? HGH? T? EPO? A lot of the BPN folks seem to really recover remarkably well, which points to something. I too believe that if recovering would be that easy, I'd get into the 2:30s but that just isn't the case (though maybe it's just age, I'm 42)
wait this is wild if true (not saying if true because i doubt you...it somehow makes sense).
If this happened it would validate every off "vibe" that he gives.
Floberg if you read this and it's untrue I am sorry and you should refute the story here. And if you are reading and this story really is true, you are a douche and karma comes for people like you.
It's idiotic to think that everybody will be impacted by heat/sun equally. A tiny bloke like sirpoc is going to have far less heat buildup than someone like the FOD runner.
Because one person performed well in the heat doesn't negate that other taller or more muscular people might struggle with heat buildup, even in cooler weather than Sunday. It's basics physics and biology (larger runners produce more heat and have a lower surface area to volume ratio to disperse heat).
I wasn't racing but it drives me mad seeing this twaddle that because one bloke found it fine then it invalidates other people's experiences despite them having completely different body sizes/muscularity. It's not difficult to understand that people will have different susceptibility to heat/sun.
FOD (sorry to drag you into this but you're an example people will recognise) could have a sauna and hot bath every day for a year and would still be more susceptible to heat than someone half his size.
"Someone half his size"....?! How much do you think some runners weigh?
While it is true that heat generally impacts (time-wise) more of the midpack and back of the marathoners a lot more than the elites, it's not a like a Youtuber who has a lot of time and resources to train can't do some basic "heat training" to help compensate for possible adversity on a warm day. Wearing extra layers in clothing, training more in the afternoon, taking hot baths and trying to visit a sauna etc. The science on heat training is actually pretty solid and can go a long way fyi.
Sure genetics and surface area (body size) play a role, but it's also about general depth of fitness and getting used to "running hot" and knowing how to adjust hydration on the fly.
How hot was it in London exactly? low 70s? Low humidity? Sure that slows everyone down, but it's not like it was "horrible conditions"....heck a guy ran 2:02!
For a guy around 3:00 who has done some heat training and knows how to pace and hydrate and adjust for the conditions I'd say you're looking at a 3:05-3:07 (5 to 7-minute slow down) ideally compared to cool and dry conditions. A lot of people don't do this correctly though and they end up trying to force a low 3-hour pace and blow up and run 3:15-3:20 instead with a massive slow down in the second half....getting dehydrated and having heatstroke.
For a 2:20 runner, yeah sure maybe it's only a "slow down" of about 2-4 minutes on average compared to if it was 40 or 45 degrees F. Generally the people running 2:20 vs 3:00 are trained a lot more and have lower BMIs also though. It's not rocket science here.
As someone who ran 3:00:XX and was gutted (ran first and second 20Ks within 8s but cramped at 40K) I am honored Sage upgraded me to a 2:55 which was my initial goal :)
Running conservatively from the start (1:29:mid first half instead of 1:27:30) basically saved my race, otherwise would have been 10+ min positive split).
To be fair though, 5-7 minutes for a 3 hour runner is a bit generous. I was thinking more like 3-5, though the end of the race, after 12:15pm, started feeling a lot hotter than 10-11am (duh)
The CEO of Asics met Clayton Young at Boston. He's an older Japanese guy that seems a little uptight. I'm surprised he's okay with splurging on these influencers.
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