Best All-Time HS All-Star XC Team by State

Knife wrote:

Knife wrote:

Jeff Cannada from Greenway HS in Phoenix is an absolute no brainer for AZ

Jeff Cannada, maybe Bo Reed, also don't forget Billy Orman

Cannada for sure. Tom Ansberry. Simon Gutierrez (not sure if he was from Arizona). Chip Smith. Kenny Cormier.

blort wrote:

"California

1. Jeff Nelson (8:36.3 for 2 mi;14:32 for Mt. SAC @ 2.93 mi; 14:15 for 5k)

2. Eric Hulst (8:44.9 for 2 mi; 9:52.7 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06 mi; 4x state 2mi champ; 3x 1mi state champ)

3. Thom Hunt (8:45.2 for 2 mi; 9:45 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06mi)

4. German Fernandez (8:34.4 for 2 mi)

5. Terry Williams (9:48 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06 mi)

6. Ralph Serna (8:45.9 for 2 mi)

7. Rich Kimball (8:51.0 for 2 mi; 14:26.8 for 5k)"

Corrections:

Kimball ran 8:46 for 2-mile.

Hulst was not a 4x 2-mile champ. I believe he won twice. He never won the mile.

I'd add German's 14:28 at Cal State meet to his achievements. Still a good 10 seconds faster than anyone else.

Serna and Kimball are better than Williams.

Eric Reynolds deserves consideration and does Ryan Hall over Williams.

I'd put Louis Quintana in somewhere as he won Footlocker in 1990.

Joe Don Baker wrote:

Knife wrote:

Jeff Cannada, maybe Bo Reed, also don't forget Billy Orman

Cannada for sure. Tom Ansberry. Simon Gutierrez (not sure if he was from Arizona). Chip Smith. Kenny Cormier.

Simon Gutierrez and Chip Smith are both Albuquerque NM. Simon was Del Norte which had some other serious contenders for the NM list in Mica Comstock and Glen Morgan. Chip Smith was Sandia High

spokanexc wrote:

I know it might make these rankings harder to compile, but should lifetime running pedigree be a factor? I thought we were to avoid post-high school times and success in compiling the original lists? Just a thought.

Judging this might be difficult, but I would propose considering:

1. Their high school XC career (key invitationals and times; state finishes; Kinney/Footlocker and NXN finishes as well as AAU Nationals and Jr. World finishes) and PRs.

2. Their head-to-head performances

3. Their high school track times

4. Their lifetime running pedigree

I agree that the factors in deciding a state's roster downplayed track times and pedigree, but as we try to hypothetically score a meet like this, both have to be considered albeit after #1 & #2.

Tennessee Boys:

1. Bumbi

2. Aaron Templeton (FLN twice)

3. Bill Matthews (He's Tennessee's.)

4. Brandon Lord (FLN. Same as with Matthews, he's Tennessee's.))

5. Adam Barnard (NXN Southeast Winner)

6.. Brodey Hasty (NXN Southeast Winner)

6. Maclean O'Donnell (NXN Southeast Winner)

6. Matthew Sonnenfeldt (FLN)

6. Kevin Odiorne (FLN)

6. Sean Keveren (8:55 guy who should have made FLN)

6. Clint McKelvey (FLN and 8:58)

6. Taylor Caldwell (NXN Southeast Winner)

6. Tony Cosey (FLN and Olympic steepler)

6. James Strang (FLN. Same as with Matthews and Lord. Tennessee's)

A lot of guys at basically the same level after Bumbi. Maybe Templeton a little ahead of the others.

Girls:

1. Kathy Kroeger

2. Rita Jorgenson

3. Christy Baird

4. Jill Skinner

5. Taylor Cuneo

Tennessee's boys have been strong for some time. Tennessee's girls have not made that leap.

Another name to add to Wyoming:

(I am basing a lot of emphasis on multiple title winners, regardless of times or classification)

Trevor Kaisler, Little Snake River (3x State Champ, 2nd as a FR)

Looks like there's no refuting the position of Ritz being #1 all-time for high school cross country? Then it shall be!

Carry on.

Wyoming (updated)

1. Jim McCreery, Gillette - 2-time 4A State Champ, 2nd SO

2. Rob Marney, Torrington - 3-time 3A State Champ, 3rd FR

3. Ricky Faure, Rock Springs - 2-time 4A State Champ, 12th FR, 2nd SR

4. Matt Heller, Lander - 3-time 3A State Champ, 3rd FR

5. Brody Smith, Cody - 2-time 3A State Champ, 4th FR, 2nd SO, 2015 NXN Qualifier

6. Caleb Her Many Horses, Wyoming Indian - 3-time 2A State Champ, 2nd FR

7. Trevor Kaisler, Little Snake River - 3-time 2A State Champ, 2nd FR

WyoKid wrote:

Wyoming (updated)

1. Jim McCreery, Gillette - 2-time 4A State Champ, 2nd SO

2. Rob Marney, Torrington - 3-time 3A State Champ, 3rd FR

3. Ricky Faure, Rock Springs - 2-time 4A State Champ, 12th FR, 2nd SR

4. Matt Heller, Lander - 3-time 3A State Champ, 3rd FR

5. Brody Smith, Cody - 2-time 3A State Champ, 4th FR, 2nd SO, 2015 NXN Qualifier

6. Caleb Her Many Horses, Wyoming Indian - 3-time 2A State Champ, 2nd FR

7. Trevor Kaisler, Little Snake River - 3-time 2A State Champ, 2nd FR

updated thanks.

Old XC guy wrote:

[Eric Reynolds deserves consideration and does Ryan Hall over Williams.

I'd put Louis Quintana in somewhere as he won Footlocker in 1990.[/quote]

There are so many non-top 7 guys from CA that it would be interesting to put together their best JV team and see if they would score in the top 10.

Hall, Meb, Reynolds, Davis, Quintana have already been mentioned.

I'm not sure who this poster is that keeps trashing Mike Mahon (Mass.). Yes he is a yuuuuge supporter of MA XC, but he was also a top runner back in the day. Do your homework. He belongs on the list.

Mass hole wrote:

I'm not sure who this poster is that keeps trashing Mike Mahon (Mass.). Yes he is a yuuuuge supporter of MA XC, but he was also a top runner back in the day. Do your homework. He belongs on the list.

Still there. The voices to keep him have outshouted the voices to remove him.

pre841 wrote:

Missouri

1. Matt Tegenkamp

2. Chris Borsa

3. Joe Falcon

4. Chris Zinn

5. Tom Breckenridge

6. Ben Naeger

7. Noah Kauppila

I know you are just compiling this but whoever said that Naeger was the 6th best Missouri XC runner ever should be banned. Or that Breckenridge was 5th.

The appropriate order:

1. Matt Tegenkamp

2. Chris Zinn

3. Joe Falcon

4. Jon Hatley

5. Chris Borsa

6. Jason Sandfort

7. Noah Kauppila

HM Josh Harper/Joe Kirby

sir flexalot wrote:

pre841 wrote:

Missouri

1. Matt Tegenkamp

2. Chris Borsa

3. Joe Falcon

4. Chris Zinn

5. Tom Breckenridge

6. Ben Naeger

7. Noah Kauppila

I know you are just compiling this but whoever said that Naeger was the 6th best Missouri XC runner ever should be banned. Or that Breckenridge was 5th.

The appropriate order:

1. Matt Tegenkamp

2. Chris Zinn

3. Joe Falcon

4. Jon Hatley

5. Chris Borsa

6. Jason Sandfort

7. Noah Kauppila

HM Josh Harper/Joe Kirby

While I don't have the authority to ban someone, I have updated the Missouri list per your recommendation.

New Jersey

1. Ches

2. Joe Rosa (8:44.06 for 2 mi)

3. Jim Rosa

4. Marty Liquori (14;23.2 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

5. Forys

6. Di Joseph

7. Brad Hudson (12:15.7 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

A couple corrections, and a bit of depth:

1. Ches (14:53 CR at Holmdel (junior); 11:55 CR at VCP (junior); 2-time FL champ, etc., etc.)

2. Marty Liquori (12:23 VCP (old course), obviously, not 14;23. CR by 13 seconds. Best miler in the country. Probably the best XC runner too.)

3. Joe Rosa (14:56 CR at Holmdel (junior); 12:03 CR at VCP (junior); Nipped at the line at NXN (junior); 8:44 2-mile national champ (junior); 7:37 2800 (long story) (senior).

4. Jim Rosa (15:15 Holmdel (#3 all-time); 12:08 VCP (junior); 8:51 2-mile (junior).

5. Craig Forys (12:10 VCP, CR; 15:16 Holmdel, CR; Second at FL Nationals; 8:46 2-mile, state record.)

6. Jason DiJoseph (15:16 Holmdel, CR; 12:20 VCP; 2-time SMOC champ; Second at Kinney Nationals.)

7. Brad Hudson (12:15 VCP; Third at Kinney Nationals (though he'd then moved to Oregon as a senior.))

Honorable Mention:

1. Brendan Heffernan (15:31 Holmdel; National Champ at Kinney. '92.)

(When a national champ doesn't crack your starting lineup, chances are you've got a hell of a team.)

2. Bob Keino (2-time SMOC; 4th and 5th at FL Nats.)

3. Mo Khadraoui (2-time SMOC Champ; 15:22 Holmdel.)

4. Steve Slattery (9th and 4th at FL Nats.)

5. Mike Keogh. (8:54 2-mile in '69.)

You have to squeeze Greg Meyer in there somewhere.

North Carolina revised - there are some really tough choices because some had great track careers.

Matt Debole - 5th FLN, 14:49 @ FLS, 8:50

Ryan Hill - 11th FLN, 14:46 @ FLS #2 All-Time, 2xFLS qualifier, FLS Champ

Jake Hurysz - 6th FLN, 14:46 @ FLS, 8:49

Thomas Graham - 9th FLN, 2xFLS qualifier, 14:52 @ FLS, 8:53

Ben Huffman - 14:44 NC record @ FLS, 2xNat qualifier (NXN, FL), 8:58

Jack Bolas - 6th FLN, 2xFLS qualifier, 14:54 @ FLS

Blake Williams - 14:52 @ FLS, 15th FLN, 2xFLS qualifier

Ian Milder, Brant Armentrout, Ricky Brookshire, Bobby Mack, Sandy Roberts, Stephen Haas

SoDak Runner

Thanks for correcting SD. I would move Reinhart up to #2 based on his fall work alone against tougher comp.

Honorable mention to the father/son efforts from the Kambestad's, T Wettlaufer and JTH out of Eagle Butte.

Little known fact DeHavens mom has more titles (2) than his dad.

So there is going to be an interesting race within a race? Bill Matthews...versus Bill Matthews. Why is he on the all time team for two states?