ALBERTO RELEASES STATEMENT

Who was he fvcking?

Screaming Meamie wrote:

I'm waiting for some apologies from the Brojos, But people with no ethics or class would never apologize. Good job by Alberto in thoroughly exposing the inuendos and lies for what they are. Let the civil litigation begin...one can read into Alberto's release the disgust he has for Magness, in particular. He, Magrness, better have a good lawyer.

Maybe, but AlSal better have more than just one:

This is just about how the fall of Lance began.

LOL ... I forgot to use a registered name. Oops.

Well now .

The Brojos - and many of us, were expecting a few paragraphs of denial.

Salazar chose to go all out ( is that a surprise?).

The Brojos were obviously shocked by the depth and breadth of the statement .

Meanwhile our top distance coach has been searching his email cache rather than coaching his athletes.

Who wins ?

Salazar has always set himself off as a gunslinger coming into town. He likes that persona. But this will drive him to be done with coaching.

The Brojos profit from the monthly average user numbers, but come off as supercilious tools - press ganging Stiner to go to Epstein ( they introduced the two ...)

No winners here, not even any likable characters on this show anymore.

One guy comes off as playing in the grey sandbox, and the others come off as chip on the shoulder chippy chumps.

This doesn't make any dreams become reality.

So so so sad .

Egun wrote:

The Brojos were obviously shocked by the depth and breadth of the statement

I doubt it.

Sorry, but if you think these were vengeful attacks you obviously do not know Alberto Salazar. In the writing you can tell he is holding back on both Magness and on Adam Goucher. I am waiting to see if either reply as I am almost certain if they do he will release further emails/details as to their behavior to more thoroughly embarrass them. I firmly believe he held back on Adam in respect to Kara, if there is a rebuttal from the Gouchers, I can guarantee he will release further details. Regarding Magness, being in the position I am you don't release/fail to renew a contract without solid written proof of misconduct or lack of skills for the position. I am sure he would have liked to really hammer Magness however the attorney's would only allow him the small satisfaction of the stinger regarding qualifying athletes to nationals. Remember Burrell is the head coach at Houston and he has long been a Nike man so you might soon see some changes at UH.

Is Salazar clean, according to the letter of the law he is, but if you research him and the NOP you will see he has never hid the fact that he will push things to the very edge of the envelope. As someone mentioned earlier, there is no grey area, only black and white.

Egun wrote:

... Well now.

... Salazar chose to go all out ( is that a surprise?).

... Who wins ?

... Salazar has always set himself off as a gunslinger coming into town. He likes that persona. But this will drive him to be done with coaching.

Salazar has no where else to run and hide now. That was his major mistake in posting his long lawyered response. Additional bombs are coming his way.

jahangir Khan wrote:

There are likely very few people who could finish him off, and maybe none are on the outside yet, something that likely only the powers of Tygart or even law enforcement would even be able to change, if they pulled out a key guy in the chain.

Tygart has very limited powers, as we saw in the Armstrong investigation. He only succeeded against Armstrong because the FDA "special investigations" unit shared the results of their investigations with USADA. Because the FDA is a government agency, it has powers USADA lacks, such as the power to get a search warrant. The FDA guys shared their results with the USADA because they knew their case would not hold up in court. Indeed, it was so weak (and sloppy) that prosecutors eventually pulled the plug on it.

As for law enforcement, the alleged violations are so minor or old that they are unlikely to attract much attention. (If you don't believe me, look at the results of the BALCO investigation. Most charges were thrown out, and those who were sentenced got very light sentences.)

The USADA is doing what it can with the powers it has. It is testing the shit out of Rupp. Over the last few years, he has been tested more than any other track athlete. Two years ago, he was test 28 times. Only one athlete in the US -- Floyd Mayweather -- was tested more often that year. Not even Gatlin is tested anywhere near as often as Rupp. (Interestingly, lots of PDX runners get tested often, including Shalane & Ritz.)

SWEDES wrote:

Is Salazar clean, according to the letter of the law he is, but if you research him and the NOP you will see he has never hid the fact that he will push things to the very edge of the envelope. As someone mentioned earlier, there is no grey area, only black and white.

LOL ... yet another unregistered name posting in Salazar's defence.

I genuinely hope you're being ironic, but since this line of Salazar's has come up several times, it's worth saying a few things about it. First, he said it in 1999. How many of us would like to be held to things we said or wrote fifteen years ago? Second, it's worth noting that of the top twenty 10,000 meter (men) times in history, only one has been run later than 2006, and that was in 2008. Well, maybe we've just gotten slower; maybe there are fewer races; maybe many things. But perhaps what Salazar was referring to in a hyperbolic way was the difficulty of being clean and being a success internationally. It is inane to infer from his remark in a public setting that on the basis of that comment alone, everything follows.

NOPe is Filthy wrote:

"It is impossible to be a world class runner or win Olympic Medals without using PEDs," Alberto Salazar.

End of story. That is what he believes, that is what he practices.

Every NOPer is a doper.

I'm still reserving judgement on all of this, and I think that we will hear quite a bit from the opposing camp tomorrow. Magness, the Gouchers, Epstein, will all have to respond to Salazar's statement. I wouldn't be surprised if like Salazar, they begin to air out dirty laundry in the form of personal communications (texts, personal emails, documented conversations with teammates, etc.). If so, this will all get even uglier than it already is.

That being said, I think that Fleshman's interview laid out very clearly what the benefit of thyroid medication can be to an endurance athlete. She explains that a healthy athlete can push themselves hard enough through the use of altitude tents/altitude housing, and overtraining that they damage their thyroid. At that point, the medication can help their thyroid function normally and the athlete to push themselves harder than they would be able to without it.

http://www.propublica.org/article/elite-runner-had-qualms-alberto-salazar-asthma-drug-performance

"So I talked to my coach, Vin Lananna: I think my thyroid is suppressed. He said that could very well be it, you're not responding to the training anymore, you're tired all the time. And I was like people go to this doctor, Alberto knows about him and I'm thinking about reaching out. And this was the most embarrassing moment, but the really important turnaround for me: my coach looked at me and he goes: "Ya know, you could do that, and if you want to do that, it's your career, and I don't think there's necessarily anything illegal about it, but the reason why your thyroid is as messed up as it is because you're not resting enough, you're sleeping in an altitude tent, and you're training too hard. And you have to back off, you have to change those things, you have to take responsibility." And that made me so embarrassed that I was thinking the other way."

I guess Alberto's test kind of throws Gatlin under the bus. Looks like massage sabotage isn't a real thing.

Screaming Meamie wrote:

I'm waiting for some apologies from the Brojos, But people with no ethics or class would never apologize. Good job by Alberto in thoroughly exposing the inuendos and lies for what they are. Let the civil litigation begin...one can read into Alberto's release the disgust he has for Magness, in particular. He, Magrness, better have a good lawyer.

Wow, didn't you just post nearly the exact same words in another thread? How much are they paying you anyway? Seems like you could do better (unless it is minimum wage).

Well, it is approaching Thursday in the UK. Expect the Salazar defender posts to tone down a wee tad. As LRCers come off work for the day in the US more anti-Salazar posts will be made the pro-Salazar.

You're relying on Lauren Fleshman for medical knowledge? What about Kara's thyroid for example? All that happened before Salazar, altitude tents, etc.

USADA has been looking at Rupp for years now...

Is running becoming more self destructive than cycling?

Chasing personal agendas/vendettas and avoiding the bigger issues and drugs that provide performance enhancement... EPO micro dosing etc.?

Alberto may be an ass, a jerk, an egomaniac etc. But even so, he is far from the worst thing happening in the sport. His statement weaves and bobs and selects the facts, shows a high level of paranoia but holds together much better than the original accusations And he has "letters" from third parties, same parties Epstein could have checked with?

And no I am not from a PR firm. But am sick of the witch hunt, without any proof. Facts now, Down with NOPers or

Let's Move On.

Hah, I am hardly a Salazar or Nike apologist. I have been posting here for more than 10 years. Unfortunately, age has caught up with me and I don't run like I used to so I haven't followed the message board for quite some time. However, I see the board is still full of bitter people on both sides of the isle. If you check you will see I spoke out years ago against Josh Hermans as being dirty as they come and he was/is way into Nike's pocket.

I like everyone on here am hoping for a level playing field for all athletes in all sports. Fortunately, items such as out of competition testing, the biological passport have slowed the drug cheats but unfortunately due to the money there will always be those that feel the need to cheat.

Indeed Salazar might be one of those, but first we need some conclusive evidence of this. Time will tell.

Bars picky wrote:

You're relying on Lauren Fleshman for medical knowledge? What about Kara's thyroid for example? All that happened before Salazar, altitude tents, etc.

Are you suggesting that she is incorrect, and that overtraining cannot do damage to the thyroid? Are you suggesting that thyroid medication does not help an athlete that is in a hypothyroid state?

I said nothing about Kara, way to bring that into the conversation.

I actually know a Yack Herder in Lithuania. It's a steady vocational field. I do think there are benefit packages for the one's with corporate flocks.