MIAC CC 2007

You have got to be kidding me. Whoever wrote that should be ashamed of themselves. You disgust me. Making fun of someone who has given so much to this sport. I've raced against Van Bruggen before, and I don't think I've ever met a nicer guy.

Unbelievable, I'm embarrassed of this thread. Just like I was of the Borner situation. Apparantly some of my fellow MIAC runners don't value hard work and determination. Grow up.

Seriously dude, people on this thread really don't value hard work and determination. So what if Van Bruggen isn't the best runnner on their team, he works his ass off. Stop ripping on him and go f*** yourself.

Giving other athletes shit for having an injury is one of the lowest things you can do. If you tommies spent less time talking trash on message boards you might win a miac title in something every once and awhile.

I think vanbruggen should just hang it up for this season and focus on a having a good season in track. he is a competitor and his training just got him into trouble.

One, I wholeheartedly agree with the one legit response to this, that Lowder is the alternate, give the last spot to your senior and run MVB for the enormous upside if he can get back anywhere near where he was a year ago.

Two, I think it is unfair to say sju will not get to nationals for a few years. If guys like stevens and noack have good, injury-free track seasons and summers, they, along with lowder and maybe the freshman franta, could make a decent team if not next year certainly the year after. So I do not think this is Lowder's one chance to run at nationals--it may be the best team they will have for a while, but it is certainly not the only one with a decent shot of making to ncaas.

And I do not attend St. Johns.

why assume that was a tommy? lots of class yourself taking a cheap shot at the tommies in an effort to stir the pot

Ok how about we all stop making fun of our fellow MIAC schools and make fun of the state of wisconsin. You know why all the trees in minnesota lean to the east? Because Wisconsin sucks. Everyone knows that Wisconsin is minnesota's retarded little brother.

Wisconsin is an ugly state and just smells bad.

You can feel the roads get a little bit smoother when you cross the borner from Wisconsin into minnesota.

I meant border. Sorry, I was spelling like a wisconsin person.

Actually the trees in Michigan also lean to the east because wisconsin also blows.

except wisconsin beats minnesota in pretty much everything

football (packers > vikings; badgers > gophers) running (wisconsin > minnesota), drinking, lakes (15,000 > 10,000), amusement parks (dells & noahs ark > whatever minnesota has), cheese > apples. if you take away the twin cities, minnesota is pretty much the dakotas. no substance to that state. and there are too many hippies in the twin cities anyways. wisconsin hands down is better (because something like this is completely objective)

Love mn wrote:

Actually the trees in Michigan also lean to the east because wisconsin also blows.

oh dont even get started on michigan. perhaps the worst state in the union. good for what? eminem? congrats

Not being from SJU as well but an alum from a rival school, I have to agree with this assessment that SJU has a shot at nationals the next couple years as well. It looked like Franta started off the season very strong with his 3rd on the team finish of 26:20 at SJU invite, but then his next races (besides the ultra-fast williamette race) were much slower. My guess is that he maybe was sick or had some sort of injury because getting that much worse during the course of one season is pretty tough. If he gets healthier, assuming he was sick or injured in the first place, he can form a strong SJU team along with Zach Hunter (14th in the MIAC championships this year), Patrick Lowder, Ryan Noack, and Andrew Stevens. The only problem is the team seemed to lack a lot of depth after Andrew Stevens, so a couple of their other guys need to step it up more next year in case one of those top 5 go down with an injury. As for this year's cross team, I would say SJU should keep out MVB and let him rest up for track and run Lowder at Regionals.

Minnesota wrote:

You can feel the roads get a little bit smoother when you cross the borner from Wisconsin into minnesota.

the fact that you capitalized Wisconsin and not minnesota says it all; you implicitly agree that Wisconsin is superior to the minnesota

This is so funny. Every person in Minnesota is so insecure about EVERYTHING that they have to down grade everyone/everything else!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

Dude, we're busy making fun of other state now. Wisconsin sucks and blows at the same time, and apples are better than cheese. They might have more lakes than us, but their lakes suck balls. The water in wisconsin lakes is so dirty that ducks are starting to grow three penises.

yeah, well that's better than zero penises, which is how many penises i bet all the ducks in minnesota have. i'd love to have three penises.

Well that's better than wisconsin where all the women have penises.