JIM RYUNS STORY!!!! 5:30 MILE TO 4:10 MILE

Thanks for the link and words. I have to agree with your assessment of Ryan having the ability to go quickly to another gear (especially in the video) that looks to be a bit quicker than El-G or Crams.

Sadly, I’ll also have to agree that it's too bad none of them can hold that candle for Perry! :-)

Living in the Past wrote:

But it appears that J.D. was a first-rate coach, and only his gentle demeanor kept him from advancing to the big leagues.

There's something really sad about that statement.

Arthur said that there is a potential Olympic Champion in every neigbourhood of every city in the world. We just have to get it out !!!!!

But Hey ! this is about Jim Ryun. We addressed a lot of the Arthur questions on the Lydiard/daniels thread.

Looks to me looks there was quite a running community at Wichita East in the mid 60's.

Thanks Jayhawk for the input on JD Edmiston. I always wondered about his contribution to Ryun, especially the fact that he was doing the work whem Jim beat Peter Snell.

Oh, the Pink and Blue looks glorious in this one!

Note John Lawson (ex KU, NCAA XC Champ) and John Mason (ex Ft. Hays State) also in the field.

Indifferent wrote:

doesn't get credit for. That's different from being a 'from the line' sprinter. You can watch Ryun race Keino in London in 1967 at Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ICn7-Uaqk

I hear Perry Mason-Squires tried to have it pulled : 0

Thanks for posting the link to the video.

Ryun outkicked over 2 laps by Liquori.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yJtGre6TPk&NR

More like Ryun just coming out of retirement and taking it to Liquori, troll.

what is so awesome to me on this video is watching all the oldies but goodies in there. Byron Dyce, Joe Savage, I think Denis Fikes as well....great to see them again in their primes (unfortunately getting wooped in a great race)

drewr wrote:

More like Ryun just coming out of retirement and taking it to Liquori, troll.

It was a great race and hats off to Marty...but....here are the facts, Perry Mason, (troll)

Ryun was just starting his outdoor racing season while Liquori was 2/3 thru his, much closer to his peak for the year. (advantage Liquori).

Ryun had gone through a bad 2 weeks with hay fever and was doubtful of even running that race up until the last few days, for sure.

Let's give Marty credit for a great race and the win; but, they were hardly going into that race 'even'.

It proves to me what a great runner Ryun was, to run a race like that so early in his season, while battling illness.

Perry Mason wrote:

Ryun outkicked over 2 laps by Liquori.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yJtGre6TPk&NR

Very famous race, gutsy running by both guys - they ran the last 880 in 1:51. Good performance by Ryun considering his condition at the time (Knut Kvalheim commented on Ryun's condition to TafNews and it's in the Nelson book "The Milers" - Ryun probably shouldn't have run). I do agree with an earlier poster, Perry Mason comes off much like Squires. It probably is him. Thanks to everyone, even Squires, for posting the video links.

I know everything Ryun and Liq wrote:

Ryun was just starting his outdoor racing season while Liquori was 2/3 thru his, much closer to his peak for the year. (advantage Liquori).

Ryun always seems to have one excuse after another.

Perry Mason wrote:

Ryun always seems to have one excuse after another.

That's funny, in books, interviews, etc. he says Marty ran a great race and beat him. In fact, in his bio, he said he 'takes his hat off to Kip Keino' for running a great race/performance in Mexico City. All he says is that he did the best he could. Now you on the other hand, seem to be struggling to find reasons to grind Ryun into the track. Just like you tried to do at the TafNews board. What is the problem, Mr. Squires? Yes, a few of us know it's you. However, I'll thank you for the video link, and thank the others too!

one of the crucial elements to being a successfull troll is to include enough truth to maintain legitimacy... and I think thats what Perry does well.

For all you people posting what a troll he is and becoming agitated.. What is your hope for this thread? I'm enjoying like I'm sure many of you are, but do you wish it to be a Jim Ryun idolising thread pure and simple, where people just come to laud praise on him without fair criticism of his career..

Because the facts remain that as great as Jim Ryun was, as fast as he ran, and as immense as his 'talent' may have been, he never won an olympic gold, and thus will never be considered by people in know to be one of the truly great milers. That is not me having a go at Ryun, that is just the facts. History is a harsh judge.

sheister wrote:

Because the facts remain that as great as Jim Ryun was, as fast as he ran, and as immense as his 'talent' may have been, he never won an olympic gold, and thus will never be considered by people in know to be one of the truly great milers.

How who you ever know who is "in the know"?

sheister wrote:

one of the crucial elements to being a successfull troll is to include enough truth to maintain legitimacy... and I think thats what Perry does well.

No he doesn't.

sheister wrote:

Because the facts remain that as great as Jim Ryun was, as fast as he ran, and as immense as his 'talent' may have been, he never won an olympic gold, and thus will never be considered by people in know to be one of the truly great milers. That is not me having a go at Ryun, that is just the facts. History is a harsh judge.

No, to ignorant people, he would not be considered one of the greats. Just as Wilson Kipketer's lack of Olympic Gold would make the ignorant believe he's not one of the all-time greats.

sheister wrote:

and thus will never be considered by people in know to be one of the truly great milers.

All this statement proves is that you are certainly not "in the know".

"a touch of Igloy in his training"?

I'd say about 90% of it is Igloy. I'm amazed that Ryun was able to hold up as long as he did, with all that quality.

Because the facts remain that as great as Jim Ryun was, as fast as he ran, and as immense as his 'talent' may have been, he never won an olympic gold, and thus will never be considered by people in know to be one of the truly great milers. That is not me having a go at Ryun, that is just the facts. History is a harsh judge.

Your "people in the know" are clearly not remotely the same as my "people in the know." Yours must believe that Peter Rono, Fermin Cacho, and Noah Ngeny are pretty great and wondrous runners, no? Historically unforgettable, right?