For years you have been whining that there's no such thing as modern training and that modern shoes don't give any advantage. Now that you want to belittle Cooper's achievements, suddenly you talk about how modern shoes and training make a difference. Like many have said, you are dishonest and move goal posts constantly.
I'm using the argument the likes of you use here, which is that modern shoes, tracks and training make a considerable difference. Are you denying that now? Lutkenhaus has no technological or training advantages over runners in the '50s and '60s?
This is a variation on Armstrongliv’s “I know you are, but what am I…” tactic he has used tirelessly while making his 45k generally asinine posts. I like the way he talks of people in denial while ignoring that Lutkenhaus hasn’t raced at 200m in just over two years, nor has he raced at 400m since last May…among dozens of other things.
People should stop answering Armstronglivs, but continue to talk about him until he gets the idea. The rest of us can watch Cooper’s continued development and see how it all turns out. Should Cooper ever win a World Outdoor title, an Olympic title, or set a World Record, we will likely see an article shortly afterward about a strange little man jumping into the White Island volcano. That will be Armstronglivs.
Why don't you say what you think Lutkenhaus will do rather than trying to speak for me - and getting it wrong? I can express my views without your "help".
The “poor me” deflection. This fraud is purely clickbait/rage-bait.
It isn't. It's making a case about the thread subject, which is what might Lutkenhaus do over the 400 (or the 1500). So far he has not run faster than 46.3 for the 400 and 22.1 for the 200. Whether he runs faster than that is entirely speculation and not fact. I am suggesting that if he does lower his prs it is unlikely to be as much as some are confidently proclaiming. Only he is capable of resolving this debate; no poster here can.
I have said he could possibly run below 46 for the 400, but sub-45 is unlikely, and sub-22 for the 200 but not in the region of 21-flat. And what have you offered?
No one should listen to you because it's clear you 1) never did sprint training, 2) never were elite,3) never coached an elite and hell, probably 4) never knew an elite or saw them train in real life.
21.8 solo, in lane 1, at end of workout is an indicator of a much faster 200m fresh.
You are arguing with people much more knowledgeable than yourself.
Let's settle this: Give us/me one reference point that you have first hand where you can compare Cooper's workout to a lived experience? If you can't, it's almost certain you speaking from a point of ignorance.
I can respond to that by saying you can't offer an example of your having "lived experience" comparable to Lutkenhaus because you have never been a prodigy who has won a world indoor title. So your question is without relevance.
I have said Lutkenhaus will be faster than 22.6 (that is his 21.8 conversion) but it won't be a lot faster. He was sprinting not jogging. He has yet to go under 22.1. If he runs 21.8 he will be doing well.
He is being compared with other md/800 runners and what they can run over 200. Some of them could run 21-flat or even faster - Juantorena ran 20.7. They weren't - aren't - sprinters - so, like him, they don't train like sprinters. But they all did sprint training - as he does.
No. Me personally not being a prodigy doesn't negate or invalidate what I said. I was a good. very good runner. My college program was a elite. I know 10+ Olympians personally, across the entire spectrum of athletics - from 100m to 10k, including the relevant events discussed here: an 800m Olympian and a 400m Olympian.
To be honest, I think it's unclear to most people on the board if you even were a runner, coach, or had any real participation in the sport other than being a LetsRun serial commenter. You have strong convictions that don’t seem like they are based on training or racing experience.
I can respond to that by saying you can't offer an example of your having "lived experience" comparable to Lutkenhaus because you have never been a prodigy who has won a world indoor title. So your question is without relevance.
I have said Lutkenhaus will be faster than 22.6 (that is his 21.8 conversion) but it won't be a lot faster. He was sprinting not jogging. He has yet to go under 22.1. If he runs 21.8 he will be doing well.
He is being compared with other md/800 runners and what they can run over 200. Some of them could run 21-flat or even faster - Juantorena ran 20.7. They weren't - aren't - sprinters - so, like him, they don't train like sprinters. But they all did sprint training - as he does.
No. Me personally not being a prodigy doesn't negate or invalidate what I said. I was a good. very good runner. My college program was a elite. I know 10+ Olympians personally, across the entire spectrum of athletics - from 100m to 10k, including the relevant events discussed here: an 800m Olympian and a 400m Olympian.
To be honest, I think it's unclear to most people on the board if you even were a runner, coach, or had any real participation in the sport other than being a LetsRun serial commenter. You have strong convictions that don’t seem like they are based on training or racing experience.
If we all need personal experience of what we are discussing then there is virtually nothing in the sport we can comment on. Most of it is outside our direct experience. That said, I have been a competitor earlier in my life and known some former Olympians.
However, most of what we might discuss - on any subject - is based on observation and sometimes the views of acknowledged experts.
What you are confusing is the fallacy of "arguments from authority" - you know because you claim to be expert - as distinct from arguments from the known facts.
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