Jakob is a CHAMPIONSHIP runner. He shows up when the lights are the brightest.
Olympics, World Championships, Euro XC, World Indoors, Diamond League Final—doesn’t matter. Jakob shows up and leaves with hardware.
He’s not a mere time trial merchant who ducks competition at global championships.
Yes, Jakob shows up. For which Wightman, Kerr, Hocker and Nuguse remain grateful.
bro Armstronglivs still on here being a pathetic piece of sh!t?? lmfao dude has serious mental health issues, letsrun mods just ban this dipsh!t already
Army: "Cheptegei's records so far are out of Ingebrigtsen's reach".
You don't know that. You CAN'T know that.
You seem unaware of the difference in their best times. So unless Ingebrigtsen runs a lot faster Cheptegei's records remain out of reach. He isn't faster till he actually runs it and not because you "think" he will run faster. In 3 years he's got no closer to Cheptegei's times, despite breaking records in shorter distances. The signs are clear. The 5K is his outer limit.
I know their PBs much better than you do. In the 5000m they are 12:48.45 and 12:35.36 (which I have seen in the stadium).
Will Ingebrigtsen better 12:35.36? We can't know. Is the mark out of reach for him (what ever this exactly means)? We can't know this, also I strongly believe no.
You always bring your same nonsense, changing the subject and avoiding the point.
Not sure if you say this Armstrong, but Jakob Ingebrigtsen recently set the 3K world record in a time 7:17.55. He also holds the 2K WR with a time of 4:43.13.
These records at 3K and 2K are equal to a record 5K. I’ve included the mathematical proof below:
2 + 3 = 5.
If you add Ingebrigtsen’s WR times at 2K and 3K, you get 12:00.68 which is well under the current 5K WR.
I'm sure Bolt's records are also "equal" to Ingebrigtsen's or anyone else's. They don't mean he could set records at longer distances. By the same token, Ingebrigtsen's best distances are shorter distances than 5k - 2k/3k - which don't mean he must be able to run an equivalent record at nearly twice the distance. It isn't his demonstrated "sweet spot". Until he does it it remains speculation.
It isn't a mathematical equation. Athletes are better over some distances than others. The longer the distance the less likely Ingebrigtsen will excel. I wouldn't bet anything on him cutting it at 10k - a Norwegian record notwithstanding.
What were the indications that Cheptegei would improve from 12:57 to 12:35?
The same argument would have applied. He wasn't a 12:35 runner till he ran it. How many others can run or have run 12:57? How many of them have since run 12:35? The same applies to a 12:48 runner. Fisher is faster than 12:48. It doesn't mean he can beat 12:35.
So if past results have zero correlation with future results according to you, then what does? Because what you're arguing right now is that literally every single person on the planet is equally likely to break the world record just because they haven't done it yet, which is very stupid even by your low standards.
Yes, Jakob shows up. For which Wightman, Kerr, Hocker and Nuguse remain grateful.
bro Armstronglivs still on here being a pathetic piece of sh!t?? lmfao dude has serious mental health issues, letsrun mods just ban this dipsh!t already
So the guys that beat him aren't grateful he shows up?
You seem unaware of the difference in their best times. So unless Ingebrigtsen runs a lot faster Cheptegei's records remain out of reach. He isn't faster till he actually runs it and not because you "think" he will run faster. In 3 years he's got no closer to Cheptegei's times, despite breaking records in shorter distances. The signs are clear. The 5K is his outer limit.
I know their PBs much better than you do. In the 5000m they are 12:48.45 and 12:35.36 (which I have seen in the stadium).
Will Ingebrigtsen better 12:35.36? We can't know. Is the mark out of reach for him (what ever this exactly means)? We can't know this, also I strongly believe no.
You always bring your same nonsense, changing the subject and avoiding the point.
You claim to know something which you CAN'T know.
That's exactly what you guys are doing. You can't know whether he will beat 12:35. So far he's miles away from it.
I know their PBs much better than you do. In the 5000m they are 12:48.45 and 12:35.36 (which I have seen in the stadium).
Will Ingebrigtsen better 12:35.36? We can't know. Is the mark out of reach for him (what ever this exactly means)? We can't know this, also I strongly believe no.
You always bring your same nonsense, changing the subject and avoiding the point.
You claim to know something which you CAN'T know.
That's exactly what you guys are doing. You can't know whether he will beat 12:35. So far he's miles away from it.
The same argument would have applied. He wasn't a 12:35 runner till he ran it. How many others can run or have run 12:57? How many of them have since run 12:35? The same applies to a 12:48 runner. Fisher is faster than 12:48. It doesn't mean he can beat 12:35.
So if past results have zero correlation with future results according to you, then what does? Because what you're arguing right now is that literally every single person on the planet is equally likely to break the world record just because they haven't done it yet, which is very stupid even by your low standards.
That isn't my argument - I know you will always f*ck it up. I didn't say "past results have zero correlation with faster times" but that they aren't an assurance that a runner will improve and especially improve to the extent of setting a wr. A time such as 12:57 is not a necessary indicator that a runner will run 12:35. Many have run 12:57 or better but only one has improved to 12:35. You keep dishing out insults but you only show your own intellectual limitations.
It's totally relevant. He's no better than his pr until he runs faster.
It's not relevant. His 3000m and 2 mile times are relevant but you dismiss them.
They may be relevant but they don't determine what he is capable of over a significantly longer distance. If you think they do then you should also be arguing he's going to beat 26:11 for the 10k or 56:40 for the HM. His best distances are 2k-2m - he gets slower as the distances get longer. The 5k looks like his outer limit - not his best distance. He's not a 5k/10k runner, like Cheptegei is, or a marathon runner.
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It's not relevant. His 3000m and 2 mile times are relevant but you dismiss them.
They may be relevant but they don't determine what he is capable of over a significantly longer distance.
Every md/distance runner I know (other than 800m/1500m types) and who tried it, broke their 5000m PR after breaking their 3000m PR. Jakob destroyed his 3000m PR. He ran 13 seconds slower that the current 5000m WR in a tactical race. Everything points to a sub 12:40 5000m time. How much under 12:40? Who knows?
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