California HS XC 2023 CIF

A few other notes from the Lowell Invitational yesterday. Hanne Thomsen did Hanne things, smoked the entire field @ 5:39 pace. Los Altos girls won their Varsity #2 race, although Clovis North girls weren't far behind. In girls Varsity #1, Kinga Czajkowska (Palo Alto) just edged Tatum Olesen (Menlo-Atherton) by 0.1 second.

On the boys side, Grant Morgenfeld was fast @ 5:05 pace, but probably still has some rebounding to do (based on someone reporting he had a broken leg this summer). The two fastest boys of the meet were San Francisco products: Malcolm Oakes @ 5:00 pace (Convent & Stuart Hall) and Miles Cook @ 5:01 pace (Sacred Heart Cathedral). Weather was really good, low- to mid-60s, partly cloudy, a little breezy.

These results seem much slower than expected on the girls side for such a high ranked team. Just comparing what Air Academy did yesterday in a 5k I think rankings will move a lot in the coming weeks.

Kim Duyst Invitational. Good fast flat grass course. Lightning delays made things kind of a mess. Varsity boys didn't start until about 10:30pm. Some in the various races had to repeat warmups or have no warmup because of how things were going.

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Ed Sias Invitational 2023 - Meet Results

MileSplits official results list for the 2023 Ed Sias Invitational, hosted by Campolindo (NC) in Martinez CA.

Link:ca.milesplit.com/meets/561390-ed-sias-...

Ed Sias

Domingez is on a sit out period until just before clovis

They are always really good because even though they always have lots of seniors on varsity, every year they churn out many sub-10 underclassmen in track like it’s their day job

Lowell Invitational speed ratings

I saw the Tully note about Lowell times being half a minute slower this year. I emailed him, letting him know the course distance changed vs. last year.

Do they just do "speed ratings" on whatever out of state meets they feel like doing? I have seen meets 10 times better than Lowell that don't get speed rated.

He does it for free and he is nails the speed ratings at some of California's most important races like Clovis, State, Mt Sac. Last year he was 5 points off for woodbridge but I don't really care. As for the smaller meets, who cares? They aren't important anyways.

Anyways he does a lot more for the sport than milesplit and for free. and Milesplit is a paid service. I am thankful someone puts the time and energy into providing some value for the sport.

Lowell was a good meet to track for the girls, with Hanne Thomsen (#5 nationally) and Los Altos (#25 nationally) running there.

I know he does it for free, I get it. I was just wondering why some meets like Lowell get it done and others don't. Several meets in CA have occurred with much better results, numbers, teams, etc. and haven't been speed rated. Just curious about how meets get chosen.

Buchanan girls were at a meet that didn't get speed ratings. They are ranked #1 or #2 in the country.

yeah I think it is whatever course he has time for and has experience with. He may be worried about speed rating stuff he doesn't have much data for.

Only one person does TullyRunners (me) ... I do question my sanity during the XC season because it requires a fair amount of time (more than most people realize), but I enjoy it for the most part.

I select the out-of-NY State races to rate. Several people do send suggestions knowing I want to rate teams & individuals having a potential impact during the post season (NXR, NXN and Foot Locker) ... a couple of MileSplit State people make suggestions ... On very rare occasions, the national MileSplit staff may have a suggestion sent to me, and that's all I ever hear from them.

I rated the Lowell meet last year because of the Granada boys and Hanne Thomsen ... I have huge respect for Hanne Thomsen so I decide to rate the race again this year.

I typically rate races that I have rated in the past (with decent results) because that really helps in the accuracy and time-consumption factor ... I can only rate a limited number of races.

From my perspective, California has too many races and too many good teams & runners! So I look for CA races involving potential NXN teams & top individuals (and I still miss a lot of races I would like to rate) ... I rate some major CA races and last year I rated most of the sectional championship races ... that plus the CA State Meet is OK for my purpose ... I do rate a few CA races for background data (same for a few other States).

Woodbridge always gets the most comments ... I'm satisfied that the ratings have been good, but understand some of the concerns ... Speed ratings measure the relative difference between runner-to-runner and NOT runner-to course ... the time differences between runners of known ability (and groups of runners of known ability) is the important factor.

Woodbridge is a fast course with fast times ... my speed ratings are focused on the fastest races because that's who I'm interest in ... When many fast runners compete in this situation (just like the Arcadia Invite 3200m in track), the time difference between runners gets shorter and that generally lowers the speed ratings for the top runners because they don't beat other runner by as much time as might typically occur in other races.

Speed ratings are a concept of relative measure between runner-to-runner ... Just like in horse racing, I want to know "who beat who by how much" on a relative basis because that helps me bet money more effective (at least I hope so).

Thanks for the response. Makes sense that you only really do speed ratings for courses that you already know. I am sure doing new courses is a pain. I was just curious since it's only random meets (not the best ones) that get the ratings, like Lowell or league meet with NP at it. Thanks for all your hard work and good luck.

Wow milesplit actually send suggestions? Sounds like they care more about the sport than everyone thinks they do.