+1
also, i just want to come in here and say that parsons' german accent is terrible. i listened to it once and couldn't stop cringing. please at least try to get rid of the american accent when speaking simple german words! and it sounds like you were reading straight from google translate.
Look, the right comps for TME are not elite running groups, they're the "influencer collab houses". Outside of Hunter (who is himself debatable, but he does have the $$), these dudes are never going to be truly elite on the world stage. They have, however, cultivated a following - likely mostly among HS boys who have never seen distance runners seem "cool" before. All the people trying to assess what they're going to do as if their main focus is getting better are totally missing the point. If that was the focus, Hunter would find an elite group, and most of the other guys would get normal jobs and be amateurs, because they just aren't that good. Is there ANY real elite training group structured such that the current athletes can decide to can the coach? No - real groups are not structured as a group of wannabe influencers whose hook is "elite" running.
Having said that - I'm genuinely curious how Adidas sees this group. Because sub-elites with a huge "cool" (to HSers) social media brand is probably a better investment than an actually serious, elite group. TME is at least selling merch.
OK, maybe they weren't the nicest about it, but this kind of thing happens in every profession. Rarely will you get any kind of good explanation for it. Coaches are fired all the time, whether for performance or because the AD doesn't like them or whatever, and if they don't have a contract then it's hard to see how they were wronged. Let's not forget that the whole "Tinman Elite" thing was a big selling point for Tinman's coaching services, even if he wasn't being paid directly.
You also have to laugh about how much of a scam online coaching seems to be. I've never seen anyone have a great experience with it...workouts are simple, and some guy online is not going to provide any magic sauce. Buy a Daniel's book or something and save yourself the money.
OMI wrote:
As someone who knows the whole story - TME could sue the frick out of you guys for slander and I hope they do.
Sorry your husband is lying to you about everything that went down, Tammy. Your post couldn't be further from the truth.
Fill us in and be the hero.
kipudgy wrote:
OMI wrote:
As someone who knows the whole story - TME could sue the frick out of you guys for slander and I hope they do.
Sorry your husband is lying to you about everything that went down, Tammy. Your post couldn't be further from the truth.
Fill us in and be the hero.
LOL this. So many people in here claiming to the know the "full story" and then going silent. Well, what is the full story? Unless you provide something credible I have no choice but to think that Tammy's version of events is likely correct. C'mon TME fanboys, back it up.
Ho Hum wrote:
OK, maybe they weren't the nicest about it, but this kind of thing happens in every profession. Rarely will you get any kind of good explanation for it. Coaches are fired all the time, whether for performance or because the AD doesn't like them or whatever, and if they don't have a contract then it's hard to see how they were wronged. Let's not forget that the whole "Tinman Elite" thing was a big selling point for Tinman's coaching services, even if he wasn't being paid directly.
You also have to laugh about how much of a scam online coaching seems to be. I've never seen anyone have a great experience with it...workouts are simple, and some guy online is not going to provide any magic sauce. Buy a Daniel's book or something and save yourself the money.
Ah yes, Tinman was paid in "exposure". How lovely. Honestly Tinman is kind of an idiot for not getting a contract or licensing deal worked out.
What a weird way to run a professional group, where the coach can be dropped without severance. Seems very un-professional if you ask me.
Ho Hum wrote:
OK, maybe they weren't the nicest about it, but this kind of thing happens in every profession. Rarely will you get any kind of good explanation for it. Coaches are fired all the time, whether for performance or because the AD doesn't like them or whatever, and if they don't have a contract then it's hard to see how they were wronged. Let's not forget that the whole "Tinman Elite" thing was a big selling point for Tinman's coaching services, even if he wasn't being paid directly.
You also have to laugh about how much of a scam online coaching seems to be. I've never seen anyone have a great experience with it...workouts are simple, and some guy online is not going to provide any magic sauce. Buy a Daniel's book or something and save yourself the money.
+1
Tammy, since we have your attention on this thread, a couple questions I am curious about:
1. Does Tom know you are posting on here? What does he think about it? Curious if he encourages it, is agnostic, etc.
2. Any updates in the past couple days since you posted? Ball has been in TME's court and I expect they'll need to respond in some manner in the next couple days - curious if that has happened yet
Almost sure this is going to come down to a money thing....seems like it unfolded at the beginning of the year and probably went down something like - TME was feeling like they knew Tom’s training well enough to implement it themselves and save the 60k they had been paying him. Tom objected and withheld services, TME claimed he should be happy with the exposure they were giving him - allowing him to coach more. Meanwhile they’re selling all that merch branded with Tom’s moniker and training plans based on what he was having them do As a way of supporting themselves . LOL
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kipudgy wrote:
Fill us in and be the hero.
LOL this. So many people in here claiming to the know the "full story" and then going silent. Well, what is the full story? Unless you provide something credible I have no choice but to think that Tammy's version of events is likely correct. C'mon TME fanboys, back it up.
I am sure the official tinman IG is going to fill us in any day now...
Ho Hum wrote:
OK, maybe they weren't the nicest about it, but this kind of thing happens in every profession. Rarely will you get any kind of good explanation for it. Coaches are fired all the time, whether for performance or because the AD doesn't like them or whatever, and if they don't have a contract then it's hard to see how they were wronged. Let's not forget that the whole "Tinman Elite" thing was a big selling point for Tinman's coaching services, even if he wasn't being paid directly.
You also have to laugh about how much of a scam online coaching seems to be. I've never seen anyone have a great experience with it...workouts are simple, and some guy online is not going to provide any magic sauce. Buy a Daniel's book or something and save yourself the money.
I’m currently having a great experience with online coaching.
1) Really solid plans that seems pretty personalized to what I was looking for.
2) Pretty much daily communication.
3) Many adjustments along the way.
I have been quite pleased actually. This is my first cycle of it after 1.5 years of doing my own stuff (mostly Daniels and stealing workouts from people in RR&T) and will definitely be re-upping for my next build. I know this isn’t on topic but did want to mention it.
Because unlike Tom and Tammy, TME & co. are trying to uphold the contracts they have and keep things mature/civil. That means not dragging other people's names through the mud.
They are respectable people, not creepy web cronies like most the people on this thread.
OMI wrote:
Because unlike Tom and Tammy, TME & co. are trying to uphold the contracts they have and keep things mature/civil. That means not dragging other people's names through the mud.
They are respectable people, not creepy web cronies like most the people on this thread.
Some people deserve to have their names dragged through the mud, if they engage in unethical behavior. Why is Tinman still listed as a coach on their website? That's dishonest, and untrue.
Again, if TME simply put out a brief statement, or responded to this issue in any way at all, then we'd be able to have a much more civilized discussion.
I've only heard one side of this story, and as of now I have no reason to believe it's inaccurate, it all seems quite plausible. If you know the "whole story" as you claim, why not fill us in? Maybe because you're full of BS and are just a butthurt fanboy who purchased a few too many overpriced T-shirts?
kipudgy wrote:
Almost sure this is going to come down to a money thing....seems like it unfolded at the beginning of the year and probably went down something like - TME was feeling like they knew Tom’s training well enough to implement it themselves and save the 60k they had been paying him. Tom objected and withheld services, TME claimed he should be happy with the exposure they were giving him - allowing him to coach more. Meanwhile they’re selling all that merch branded with Tom’s moniker and training plans based on what he was having them do As a way of supporting themselves . LOL
He did not get 60K a year. LOL The running team payed him a 2K a month. It was less than that early in the coaching process. Exposure existed well before he met and worked with any of these runners. Coach Tinman's name gave them the opportunity to make $$$. How much, you will have to ask the Director of Finance.
OMI wrote:
Because unlike Tom and Tammy, TME & co. are trying to uphold the contracts they have and keep things mature/civil. That means not dragging other people's names through the mud.
They are respectable people, not creepy web cronies like most the people on this thread.
Be the hero, tell us the dirty deets. Until then keep your mouth shut
Give it another 24 hours and TME will post about how they’re the victim in all this
I'm still not quite clear on who the coach actually is. Who's writing workouts? Is it Cory? Is it Drew's mom? Is it a group effort?
The running team payed him 2K a month.
I mean paid, not payed! LOL
RunnerConnection wrote:
The running team payed him 2K a month.
I mean paid, not payed! LOL
This is definitely Tinman’s wife, they’d definitely correct themselves over something small like that
Why anyone outside of the involved parties cares about any of this is beyond me. This is not an interesting story. So these runners no longer want this guy to coach them. Why would this be a surprise? Once you have sucked the orange dry, maybe you discard it. The coach was sucked dry I guess, at least in the eyes of the athletes.