Precious Roy wrote:
There is currently no evidence that people who recovered from COVID 19 are immune. The current lockdown regimen is intended on keeping the virus from overwhelming the health system. By in large, the lockdowns have succeeded in preventing rationing of care. That is not to say that health systems in the northeast, New Orleans, Detroit, Albany, GA and other hot spots haven't been tested to their limits.
The big problem with our lockdowns is that they were way too late in many places and way to permissive in many others. There has been almost no effort to remove positive family members and quarantine them. There have been too many exceptions to lockdowns for businesses that are not really essential. And testing has been way too scarce.
We are going to be playing lockdown ping pong for a long time unless we get serious about attacking the spread of the virus. There are many examples of countries that have been able to get the spread under control and get back to a new normal (S. Korea, New Zealand, Finland, Germany, etc.). If you can get to where they are, you can control new outbreaks through testing and quarantines without having to do massive lockdowns.
A vaccine may not end the virus like was accomplished with polio and small pox. But it may get us to a point of enough collective immunity that we can return to normal while controlling outbreaks with good testing and quarantine measures.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/25/844939777/no-evidence-that-recovered-covid-19-patients-are-immune-who-says
What is your argument here? You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth as on one side you are talking about collective immunity, but if you believe people can get it again, then your assumption is that there is no immunity achievable. If you truly believe that people who have had coronavirus can get it again, then why wait 18 months for a vaccine (as it would be certain to fail if the bodies own antibodies are insufficient to defeat COVID)?
So then the only solution would be a military enforced total lockdown with food rations distributed by the military until all cases go to zero (is this what you are advocating in your arguments that go in different directions?). My argument is people do get immunity to this [there have been a few exceptions (that many believe were false negatives), but overall people seem to gain immunity (from the frontline healthcare workers I know that had it and are back working and have likely been exposed multiple times)], and that people should get back to work and living their lives (while taking simple precautions like wearing masks and washing their hands). Places like South Korea were able to minimize its impact by wearing masks and practicing basic hygiene.