Allen53 wrote:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/
Overall, we rate the Children’s Health Defense a strong conspiracy and quackery level advocacy group that frequently promotes unsupported claims. We also rate them low for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda as well as several failed fact checks.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/Allen53 wrote:
The Bill Gates Effect: WHO’s DTP Vaccine Killed More Children in Africa Than the Diseases it Targeted
How come this has not occurred in South Africa, where the opposite is true.
Do you guys understand how vaccinations work? No, sorry, rhetorical question.
How about listening to Prof Ian Fraser who developed the IPV vaccine known as gardasil.
The vaccination for SARS COV2 will be extremely difficult to make because the virus acts on the external surface of body - to intents and purposes, the respiratory tract is 'external' and acts to transfer O2 in, CO2 out. It is not essentially a blood borne virus, but the effects of it will be transmitted by blood.
Vaccines to create an antibody effect on the outside of body is very difficult.
So tell us again, how is Gates somehow involved in this Covid19 conspiracy by virtue of his vaccination support??
p.n. wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/Overall, we rate the Children’s Health Defense a strong conspiracy and quackery level advocacy group that frequently promotes unsupported claims. We also rate them low for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda as well as several failed fact checks.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/
C'mon you gotta do better than that. Who's checking the checkers?
"Media Bias owner David Van Zandt is incompetent and a self-promoting liar. He has no qualifications as a media watchdog.
Asked for information concerning his expertise in the field of journalism and evaluating news sources, Van Zandt himself states:
“I am not a journalist and just a person who is interested in how media bias impacts politics. You will find zero claims of expertise on the website.”
Concerning his purported “25+ years” of experience writing for print and web media, he said: “I am not sure why the 25+ years is still on the website.”
Guy's a complete charlatan and is currently being sued for libel.
I am Sam wrote:
Do you guys understand how vaccinations work? No, sorry, rhetorical question.
How about listening to Prof Ian Fraser who developed the IPV vaccine known as gardasil.
The vaccination for SARS COV2 will be extremely difficult to make because the virus acts on the external surface of body - to intents and purposes, the respiratory tract is 'external' and acts to transfer O2 in, CO2 out. It is not essentially a blood borne virus, but the effects of it will be transmitted by blood.
Vaccines to create an antibody effect on the outside of body is very difficult.
So tell us again, how is Gates somehow involved in this Covid19 conspiracy by virtue of his vaccination support??
First, there is an excess of morons and/or Trump trolls on this DB. I can only assume that being cooped up in mom's basement is getting to them...
Second, no doubt it will be difficult but there other other viruses, such as measles with excellent vaccines, It is quite different for sure and genetically unrelated but is also a respiratory infection caused by an enveloped rna virus.
Allen53 wrote:
The Bill Gates Effect: WHO’s DTP Vaccine Killed More Children in Africa Than the Diseases it Targeted
The primary purpose of vaccines appears to be CAUSING diseases, not helping to reduce them.
The career of virologist Judy Mikovits was destroyed by Antonio Fauci because she would not agree to cover it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnCBA26rM6IJudy Milovits speaks more about vaccines and the diseases and deaths they have caused since they were began in 1934.
The cure is worse than the disease. Said the Cuomo bros never!
https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/dismantling-the-viral-theorythe terrain or internal environment is everything and the germ or so-called virus is NOTHING! The germ or so-called virus can only be a symptom of cellular breakdown due to an imbalance of the delicate alkaline pH balance of the body fluids and NOT the cause of that breakdown.
arandomwalk wrote:
The flu is not genetically similar to COVID-19. Both viruses attack the respiratory system but the similarities pretty much end there. The flu and COVID-19 come from two entirely different families of viruses.
COVID-19 is a new virus meaning it has not had as much time to mutate into many strains. The different strands that already exist are all similar enough that a vaccine for one should be effective for others. The flu on the other hand is obviously very old and there are hundreds (thousands?) of strands that are sufficiently genetically different that the effectiveness of a vaccine has a limited effect.
There is strong a reason ex ante reason to believe that a COVID-19 vaccine would reduce chance of infection by a much larger percentage than influenza. Due to the fact that viruses and other pathogens spread exponentially, even a small decrease in the chance of an individual becoming infected can have a very large effect in aggregate number of infections. (1.1)^N is much, much better than (1.2)^N when N is large. Could be the difference of millions of people. But because people do not understand or at least underestimate exponential growth, people see "10% reduction in infection" and think it's not so great.
I thought it was a great post until you said "people do not understand...exponential growth." Some of us aforementioned "people" that you demean understand functional analysis (orders of magnitude of complexity beyond exponential growth lol) to a much greater degree than you ever will so get off your high horse, chief.
Any talk about vaccines is stupid - give me the real thing. Just give the virus to everyone who won't die from it, which is at least 90% of the people. To be on the safe side cut it down to the very safest 70%. Three weeks later it is all over forever.
dunes runner wrote:
Judy Milovits speaks more about vaccines and the diseases and deaths they have caused since they were began in 1934.
You tin foil people are crazy...you need help
Quoting a discredited thief
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scientist-vaccine-jailed/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27358491Bad Wigins wrote:
Any talk about vaccines is stupid - give me the real thing. Just give the virus to everyone who won't die from it, which is at least 90% of the people. To be on the safe side cut it down to the very safest 70%. Three weeks later it is all over forever.
You have absolutely no idea what the virus can do in body besides the symptoms you think it does
Why don't you get infected and report back...please do us a favour and quit the stupid posts
I am Sam wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Any talk about vaccines is stupid - give me the real thing. Just give the virus to everyone who won't die from it, which is at least 90% of the people. To be on the safe side cut it down to the very safest 70%. Three weeks later it is all over forever.
You have absolutely no idea what the virus can do in body besides the symptoms you think it does
Why don't you get infected and report back...please do us a favour and quit the stupid posts
Why don't you see a professional about that bitter spite of yours? You stop posting, since obviously you don't enjoy it. Find something you like, and don't blame others if you won't even try to.
Face it, the evidence is conclusive and indisputable that covid-19 has negligible risk of significant illness in the vast majority of people. You look like an idiot for denying it, especially after calling someone else a tinfoil hatter. You're paranoid.
I'm not paranoid, so you have no point telling me to "get infected." That's what you're scared of, not me. Personally, I hope I've already had this virus, or get it soon while I'm more or less quarantined anyway. Especially with all the morons like you out there talking about "immunity passports" for allowed back into normal life.
joedirt wrote:
The only viable solution is herd immunity. Isolate the old and high risk and let everyone else go out and get it (or wear a mask like they do in South Korea and Hong Kong). It shortens the duration and minimizes the economic impact (and ultimately reduces the number of deaths that would result if we continue to allow 700 people to go unemployed for every COVID death (half of whom are from nursing homes).
Realistically, the timeline on a viable, safety tested vaccine is about 18 months. We would be a third world country if we try to hunker down that long.
The old are often placed in nursing homes which isolates them from society but not the virus. The same goes for the prisoners. We know it results in many deaths in nursing homes. We may need to wait a few weeks to find out the number of deaths in the prisons that have recently been found to have many who are thus far who are asymptomatic--that could change one COVID-19 has been on their bodies a little longer.
Someone asked a question in the last week regarding whether or not it will be safe for those with underlying issues to return to work in Ohio. Dr Aston and the Governor DeWine both responded I believe. Dr Aston said something like 60-some person of the population has underlying issue or maybe she said comorbidities. Whatever it was a majority of the population is at a higher risk for bad outcomes. I think she may have included obesity. Many who are obese likely have other health issue either diagnosed or yet to be diagnosed. Governor DeWine basically asked Ohio employers to accommodate employees at risk by offering to let them work from home for find other way to provide a safe work environment. The other option for those in fear of catching the virus at work is to look for employment elsewhere and/or a new career that is safer.
Do we just tell the 42% of the adult population that is obese that they may need to take responsibility for their obesity finally and continue working and risk a bad outcome or just give up their current careers. Has anyone noticed how many of those that work in hospital are obese? I am saddened by every photo of the heroes at my local hospital I see on Facebook. 30 to 70% in every photo are obese. Working in healthcare does not mean their diet and exercise level and thus obesity rate is any better than the general population. What makes it worse that many of these Facebook postings with obese hospital employees are a thank you to one of the many area pizza restaurants for supplying pizzas to staff. Only one posting I saw from a SE Michigan hospital was from a restaurant that specializes in healthy meals. One of the pizza postings showed many obese employees in the hospitals dietary group.
I know it is hard to loose weight. I was obese for a decade or longer until I decided I would reduce calories and exercise daily for life. I made that change about 8 years ago and have since run 5 marathons including Boston. When I was obese I was breathing heavy after walking up one flight of steps at work and was quickly out of breath when playing keep away or chase with my young children. Breathing with a COVID-19 infection in my lungs would likely have been much more difficult for me back then.
A placebo effect is still an effect. Calms the herd.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Any talk about vaccines is stupid - give me the real thing. Just give the virus to everyone who won't die from it, which is at least 90% of the people. To be on the safe side cut it down to the very safest 70%. Three weeks later it is all over forever.
Except none of the medical experts knows yet how long anyone will have immunity from COVID-19 after they resolve. They may have no immunity or immunity for a few months to immunity for just a year. The antibody level after resolving may not be high enough to prevent a new infection or as it naturally drops off say over months it may then be possible for re-infection.
The virus could eventually mutate enough that antibodies will not provide protection just like a vaccine would not necessary provide long term protection.
I am Sam wrote:
The vaccination for SARS COV2 will be extremely difficult to make because the virus acts on the external surface of body - to intents and purposes, the respiratory tract is 'external' and acts to transfer O2 in, CO2 out. It is not essentially a blood borne virus, but the effects of it will be transmitted by blood.
Vaccines to create an antibody effect on the outside of body is very difficult.
I didn't know this. Thanks for posting.
I don't think we'll find a vaccine that really works, but I'm certain that a vaccine will eventually be foisted on the public. Why? Three reasons: 1) The profit potential is staggering! If only half of Americans got vaccinated at $50/injection, that's $8 billion! 2) A vaccine will calm the masses 3) A vaccine might actually provide a minimal benefit, but probably not as good as the recommendation that follows.
A better approach, and one that continues to fly below the radar of experts and the public, is boosting the immune system with natural substances, including but not limited to vitamin D, vitamin C, echinacea, other nutraceuticals, and exercise. This approach is inexpensive, has no side effects, and has a TREMENDOUS added benefit. Boosting the immune system reduces the risk of colds, flu, pneumonia, and numerous other major illnesses. It's sad that this isn't being recommended by Fauci et al, especially when exercise would also combat the obesity epidemic.
Why don't they just get everyone who is young, physically fit and has no underlying health conditions to gather together in large crowds and then isolate for two weeks? Bam! Herd immunity achieved instantly with minimal deaths and damage to the economy. Life returns to normal.
Wejo, Rojo...I'm sorry but you two are about as smart as a 900 SAT score when not talking about running.
As others have pointed out, and I'm going to say again, the influenza vaccine has low effectiveness on a population as the influenza virus mutates on a yearly basis so establishing long term immunity is impossible. A virus is not just a virus and they each have unique properties we can use to develop different types of vaccines and immunity. The Rabies vaccine, for example, doesn't target the virus but teaches the body to recognize the toxin instead. As a result, the body will build antibodies to the toxin to fight it off the moment of infection. Rabies also has a nearly non-existent mutation rate so this immunity is life long. A different example is the Polio vaccine, that operates by giving us an inactivated form of the virus that builds immunity. The immune system learns to fight the virus as the vaccine teaches the cells to better recognize the viral particles to mount a response before any damage is done. Again, the virus cannot mutate so immunity is life long. Two completely different mechanisms of immunity taught by vaccines. The knowledge about COVID-19 is far too preliminary for us to speculate which vaccine type will provide immunity. We also have not been exposed to the virus long enough to know if it will mutate. Some viruses take years before a strong mutation in a population takes effect, others never mutate.
Seriously, did neither of you guys take a single biology course with your IV league educations?