the fix is in
the fix is in
What’s funny is the argument Rojo used in favor of Joan (marathon majors) he used against Meb in the recent podcast. For Joan they equaled a gold medal. For Meb, people who are only ranked 20th in the world win them. That’s our Rojo, consistently inconsistent. Don’t ever change
Bear wrote:
What’s funny is the argument Rojo used in favor of Joan (marathon majors) he used against Meb in the recent podcast. For Joan they equaled a gold medal. For Meb, people who are only ranked 20th in the world win them. That’s our Rojo, consistently inconsistent. Don’t ever change
I wondered if anyone else would note that!!!
*notice* that.
Yes, Jim Ryun's 6 World Records and 8 American Records distinguish him from any of his peers. He was the greatest!
Rojo spent his marginal career tracking down marathon cheats and trying to implicate drug cheats, and then he cheats on his own poll. What a fool.
The winner for this generation is Rupp and Simpson. You can never compare a previous generation. This poll is meaningless, particularly since Rojo will decide the votes and he is nothing but a cheat and a hanging chad.
Nothing Here wrote:
The winner for this generation is Rupp and Simpson. You can never compare a previous generation. This poll is meaningless, particularly since Rojo will decide the votes and he is nothing but a cheat and a hanging chad.
You misspelled “Lagat”.
You can spell Lagat anyway you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the cheater chaser is a cheat.
Bear wrote:
That’s our Rojo, consistently inconsistent. Don’t ever change
What's also funny is how strongly opposed he is to the NOP cheaters, but then he runs interference for Athletics West.
And that includes Salazar himself, who was entered in the pool against letsrun own rules!
Joke is firmly on America as looks like your ALL TIME GREATEST runners on male and female side will have precisely ONE Olympic silver medal and ONE Olympic bronze medal between them.
What a shame you didn't (or are in the process of not) vote for the true legends of Shorter and Benoit.
In other words, it's time for rojo to start rigging for Shorter!
Rojo, you are up!
Am I the only one who thinks Joanie was as dirty in 83/84/85 as Nick Rogers was in 00/01???
Flash in the pan
Trump Voter wrote:
the fix is in
Where is everyone praising me for advancing Jenny?
I can't believe people thought I'd doctor the results. I'm honest. I have an opinion. You have yours. We count up the votes and live with the results. I talked to Jonathan, he typed in the wrong day when he went back to count the votes at 1q2 midnight - redid it and Simpson was the winner.
Bear wrote:
What’s funny is the argument Rojo used in favor of Joan (marathon majors) he used against Meb in the recent podcast. For Joan they equaled a gold medal. For Meb, people who are only ranked 20th in the world win them. That’s our Rojo, consistently inconsistent. Don’t ever change
You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. People act like because Rogerrs or Salazar won a major that it's the same as winning a world title at 10,000 or something. I don't think it's the same.
Nowadays, there are 6 major winners every year. Plus you can get a bit lucky and win a major. Meb ran AMAZING in Bosotn in 2014, but also a bunch of things went right for Me.
TWo things really.
1) The elite Africans didn't take him seriously, let him get a gap, he ran great and they couldn't catch him.
2) It also helped that the top entrants - which we labelled at the time as "fatest ever" field in Boston's history - ran like dog crap. Of the 12 men that started the race with a pb under 2:08, only 3 of them ran under 2:10. THe field featured 7 sub 206 guys and 4 of them DNFd and one of them ran 2:17.
Here is how the top seeds did
Dennis Kimetto 2:03:45 - DNF
Lelisa Desisa 2:04:45 - DNF
Gebre Gebremarian 2:04:53 - DNF (or DNS?)
Markos Geneti 2:04:54 - 5th 2:09:50
Ryan Hall 2:04:58- 19th 2:17:50
Wilson Chebet 2:05:27 - 2nd 2;08:48
Tilahun Regassa 2:05:27 - DNF
Frankline Chepkwony 2:06:11 (Eindhoven, 2012) Kenya
Micah Kogo 2:06:56 -3rd 2:08:50
Adil Annani 2:07:43 - 2:12:43 (DQd for doping)
Paul Lonyangata 2:07:44- 9th 2:12:44
Joel Kimurer 2:07:48 - 6th 2:11:03
With Joanie, when you run the fastest marathon time in history by nearly three minutes, thats' a BIG WIN that I put on par with just about anything in the sport, certainly as the equivalent of Simpson winning a world title that featured a trip in it. That's what Joanie did in Chicago in 83. In 84, she won Olympic gold. In 85, she won CHicago in 2:21:21 - which was the #2 time in world's history and just 15 seconds from the WR.
So let's look at this objectively.
Samuelson won Olympic gold. Simpson won WC gold. Hudge edge Samuelson.
Simpson won two WC silvers. Samuelson ran the fastest time ever by nearly 3 minutes to win Boston in 83 and #2 in Chicago in 85. I personally give the edge to Samuelson here but let's call it a draw.
Simpson does have an Olympic bronze so give her an edge on that front.
Simpsons' had a very long and steady career but her highs weren't as high as Joanie. Nothing histocialy fast about Simpson (and doping has a lot to do wtih that but I can't change the fact that dopers and intersex athletes have ruined a lot of women's athletics).
rojo wrote:
Where is everyone praising me for advancing Jenny?
Why do you think you deserve praise for completely bungling an elementary, two-option poll and needing half a day and screenshot support before being able to do something simple? Did you praise the NCAA last year when they handed the trophy to Virginia after the basketball championship game instead of handing the trophy to Texas Tech? Do you also deserve praise for figuring out that Shorter beat Rupp and advancing him?
rojo wrote:
Trump Voter wrote:
the fix is in
Where is everyone praising me for advancing Jenny?
NO ONE is saying that.
(1) Rojo does something
(2) Posters disagree with him
(3) Rojo gaslights ("My goodness! What do you mean?") and accepts zero responsibility
The fact that that crybaby Uceny stayed down in the final cannot be used to diminish Simpson’s gold.
Why not? Because by staying down and whining, Uceny proved herself to be the inferior athlete. In fact she was no athlete at all, from the instant she stayed down. Simpson was her superior, in every way.
Simpson’s gold is 100% valid, and huge.
BUT any gold in a 1500m does not necessarily provide evidence of who is the best runner—instead, it usually provides evidence of who was the best racer in that particular race. Look at Centro’s gold—great race by an average elite runner.
The poll was to vote for a “distance runner”. 1500m is not distance, unless it is solo time-trialed. It is a middle-distance race. And winning a 1500 gold indicates that you are a great racer, but not necessarily a great runner.
Simpson should be in the discussion primarily for her steeple, etc, with her 1500 exploits used only to show racing range—and even at that, steeplers aren’t the best runners, they are the best steeplers.
IMO by the terms of the original question, there is no contest between the two. Simpson, while a great mid-d racer and athlete, is IMO not properly considered “a distance runner”.
I think Rojo is right, but I think it’s because the question was misunderstood, and that he has some intuitive sense of this mistake made by the voters.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
The fact that that crybaby Uceny stayed down in the final cannot be used to diminish Simpson’s gold.
Why not? Because by staying down and whining, Uceny proved herself to be the inferior athlete. In fact she was no athlete at all, from the instant she stayed down. Simpson was her superior, in every way.
Simpson’s gold is 100% valid, and huge.
BUT any gold in a 1500m does not necessarily provide evidence of who is the best runner—instead, it usually provides evidence of who was the best racer in that particular race. Look at Centro’s gold—great race by an average elite runner.
The poll was to vote for a “distance runner”. 1500m is not distance, unless it is solo time-trialed. It is a middle-distance race. And winning a 1500 gold indicates that you are a great racer, but not necessarily a great runner.
Simpson should be in the discussion primarily for her steeple, etc, with her 1500 exploits used only to show racing range—and even at that, steeplers aren’t the best runners, they are the best steeplers.
IMO by the terms of the original question, there is no contest between the two. Simpson, while a great mid-d racer and athlete, is IMO not properly considered “a distance runner”.
I think Rojo is right, but I think it’s because the question was misunderstood, and that he has some intuitive sense of this mistake made by the voters.
But it’s the voters decision, not Rojo’s
urbaneteacher wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Joanie was as dirty in 83/84/85 as Nick Rogers was in 00/01???
Flash in the pan
Nope. I am with you. She was a bit too good, her recovery was a bit too miraculous, and she doesn’t pass my “look test”. I can look at someone and tell if they have the edge. I am pretty much 100% right. Everything about her and her performance indicated “edge”.
Same old story, to me.
Nick Rogers, I have no idea, but only because I don’t care.
The last part was meant to offer a possible explanation for Rojo’s perspective.