Tuohy sets indoor 1500 PR with significant negative split

Culpepper is on track to be the 2nd fastest miler ever but he gets 1% of the attention of Tuohy. Young could be the fastest 3200/5000 runner ever but he gets about 20% of the attention that Tuohy does.

coach wrote:

BasicBich wrote:

But can she do it on a cold rainy day in Stoke ?

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Are there other types of days in Stoke?

run faster and faster wrote:

Culpepper is on track to be the 2nd fastest miler ever but he gets 1% of the attention of Tuohy. Young could be the fastest 3200/5000 runner ever but he gets about 20% of the attention that Tuohy does.

He's on track to run 3:54 outdoors? How is that the case? Nico Young ran a great 3,000 and got plenty of attention, but he's not going to race again for a while. Tuohy's had some recent ups and downs which have made her interesting, and she races a good deal. Culpepper/Young don't measure up historically yet...They'll need to get down to sub 3:40/3:58 for Culpepper OR sub 8:35/13:40s for Nico.

Indoor? wrote:

She's the current best HS girl and potentially the best in history. There isn't anything creepy about being fans of the sport.

I am surprised you have not opined on this latest race. I would have thought you would approve.

3:58 is the indoor record. He ran 4 flat.

run faster and faster wrote:

Culpepper is on track to be the 2nd fastest miler ever but he gets 1% of the attention of Tuohy. Young could be the fastest 3200/5000 runner ever but he gets about 20% of the attention that Tuohy does.

To be fair I am pretty sure I am the biggest advocate that dudek was better than tuohy in december last year. I totally agree though that there are other runners that get less attention.

Same thing happened to Alexa Efraimson and Elise Cranny back in the day though when Cain was the best.

Or Cheserek/Futsum when Lucas was there in highschool ( Although there were a good bit of other similar ability runners then. Rosas, Gedyon, Ammar mousa so it kind of makes sense.)

FastTuohy wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

She's the current best HS girl and potentially the best in history. There isn't anything creepy about being fans of the sport.

I am surprised you have not opined on this latest race. I would have thought you would approve.

I do approve of it! I think that's a great way for race and if that was her and her coaches intent to do it that way I think it's a great sign!

westsouthrunner wrote:

run faster and faster wrote:

Culpepper is on track to be the 2nd fastest miler ever but he gets 1% of the attention of Tuohy. Young could be the fastest 3200/5000 runner ever but he gets about 20% of the attention that Tuohy does.

To be fair I am pretty sure I am the biggest advocate that dudek was better than tuohy in december last year. I totally agree though that there are other runners that get less attention.

Same thing happened to Alexa Efraimson and Elise Cranny back in the day though when Cain was the best.

Or Cheserek/Futsum when Lucas was there in highschool ( Although there were a good bit of other similar ability runners then. Rosas, Gedyon, Ammar mousa so it kind of makes sense.)

I think it is due to the fact that Tuohy has smashed a number of course records in XC, and also has set 3 HS National records on the track.

On Dudek vs Tuohy, Zofia Dudek definitely ran very well at FL National while Tuohy did not appear at her best at NXN. But just one week prior Tuohy had run very well at the regional meet. If you believe in speed ratings, these were essentially equal runs. How well Dudek would have fared at NXN in those conditions is unknowable, as is how Tuohy would have done in SD. But running well in Portland is not a given - just ask Katelynne Hart.

Indoor? wrote:

weird lechers wrote:

Wow....

the weird obsessive white teen girl lechery of letsrun continues. Did coevett start this thread? Oh, I forgot, he's more into boys.

She's the current best HS girl and potentially the best in history. There isn't anything creepy about being fans of the sport.

Yeah there is. I have never seen so many busybodies as on KT threads.

Life is out there. get some

ebolaSuzanne wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

She's the current best HS girl and potentially the best in history. There isn't anything creepy about being fans of the sport.

Yeah there is. I have never seen so many busybodies as on KT threads.

Life is out there. get some

...but you are on the same thread?? Is this your life?

run faster and faster wrote:

3:58 is the indoor record. He ran 4 flat.

On a 307m oversized track that wouldn't count. If anything that setup might be faster than outdoors with no wind and obviously perfect conditions. 3:53.43 and 3:55.3 are the true marks that one would approach to be a top 2 high school miler ever. Drew Hunter didn't reach that point despite having the indoor mile record. Culpepper will get some deserved buzz if he breaks 4, but trust me he will get a ton of publicity if he enters the conversation of the greats and breaks 3:57 for the mile.

run faster and faster wrote:

Culpepper is on track to be the 2nd fastest miler ever but he gets 1% of the attention of Tuohy. Young could be the fastest 3200/5000 runner ever but he gets about 20% of the attention that Tuohy does.

so why are you reaading Tuohy threads and complaining?? Start a thread on Young and Culpepper and quit whining...

westsouthrunner wrote:

ebolaSuzanne wrote:

Yeah there is. I have never seen so many busybodies as on KT threads.

Life is out there. get some

...but you are on the same thread?? Is this your life?

lol...+1

I would not feed too much into the significant negative split. When I had athletes who were head and shoulders above their competition in a small event, I have on occasions told them to start out in the middle of the pack or go out fast.

People also forget about Bryn Brown--she had a reasonable chance of some national title if not for an injury. She has broken 10:00 3200 m already outdoors. There are 3 girls running 2:03 who are underclassmen--there is a good chance at least one could run sub 4:30 in the mile or the metric equivalent. I agree that Touhy was an amazing cross country runner last season but I am not sure why people put her on this special status and called GOAT. She wins often is track but people forget about her losses as well and limited range. Personally I think Starliper and Dudek are probably somewhat more talented runners but I know it is taboo to even suggest this as a possibility on the msg board. People need to realize that she is closer to max out her abilities than others because of high mileage/intensity from an early age. We will see how things play out at the collegiate level and that should help settle the issue.

I was disappointed to see that Brynn Brown isn't going to be at NBIN. She would have definitely made the 2 mile more interesting against Starliper. In an interview a while back she said that she wanted to run indoor nationals, but that the cost of the plane tickets to NY was too much. That kind of sucks because she deserves to be there. Instead she is running the Texas distance festival, where it looks like she is the heavy favorite. She is such a talented runner, but is kind of off in left field on her own without much competition.

Because her accomplishments warrant it, although this is always a debatable subject. At least you have been consistent with your thesis all these years. :)

We will never know what she could have run if she was not injured late in the XC season her junior year and if she did not shut it down early in her junior track season, but setting the 3000 record was a pretty good indication. As to the future, we will have to wait and see.

Great job.

Interesting. They are all good runners. I am trying to think of Tuohy's "losses" and I have come up with one so far since she was a freshman - the Millrose mile 2 years ago. Perhaps a stray 1000 or 600 somewhere? But the others have lost as well, in the mile/2 mile.

On her range, I am not sure either Starliper or Dudek have really showed any more range thus far.

Who will be best down the road? I wish I knew. I think all of the XC course records and HS track records might have led to the "GOAT" label. But Mary cain of course ran faster, just not as an official HS Student.