Maybe mo is just like trump; telling a lie is his default. Even if there is no advantage to telling a lie, that is just what they do out of habit. Like the NE Patriots, cheating is what they do every minute of every day in every action that they take.
Maybe instead of staying something stupid you say something smart, Emma has no reason to pick a fight with MO when she has been seeing the same doctor as him for years. When she is a double Olympic medalist then she can talk. She's taking the kara way out which is to play to victim
Mr.Andy wrote:
Maybe instead of staying something stupid you say something smart, Emma has no reason to pick a fight with MO when she has been seeing the same doctor as him for years. When she is a double Olympic medalist then she can talk. She's taking the kara way out which is to play to victim
Emma 100% has not seen any doctor that Mo has. She’s also a 3x global medalist.
The case against Mo is about a lot more than merely "seeing Dr. Brown". This is the common diversion tactic used by NOP shills trying to obfuscate the details of the allegations since so many people have been to Brown.
Maybe you should attack the message.
Joplas wrote:
schmutzig wrote:
Watch his 5000m heat from 2008 in Beijing, and then genuinely tell me that you thought he’d be a 3:28 man and double olympic champion only 5 years on.
What about his performance at the 2006 Commonwealth games?
He was 9th behind two no-name Tanzanians. A few years later he was invincible.
This sums it all.
.....and he was about 23.
Anthos wrote:
If he lied about having the injection, and it was not recorded as having been administered, how can pple be expected to believe the dose administered was within the specified legal limits.
Because there are no legal limits to the dose, only to the volume of the solution which contains it. It's incredibly stupid.
Didn't you all learn the difference between mass and volume in high school science?
sleazazar wrote:
Americans? wrote:
Why didn’t Emma call out the Americans involved with the exact same coach and in the exact same program at Farah?
Pretty selective.
"Lies to investigators. Leaves the room, learns that the facts are out and they know he’s lying so he comes back with ‘it’s all coming back to me’ to try to save himself."
Which Americans would her criticisms fit?
Nike Oregon Project, I think my description was pretty clear.
Americans? wrote:
sleazazar wrote:
"Lies to investigators. Leaves the room, learns that the facts are out and they know he’s lying so he comes back with ‘it’s all coming back to me’ to try to save himself."
Which Americans would her criticisms fit?
Nike Oregon Project, I think my description was pretty clear.
Her quote doesn’t apply to any of the NOP runners that I’m aware of.
sleazazar wrote:
Americans? wrote:
Nike Oregon Project, I think my description was pretty clear.
Her quote doesn’t apply to any of the NOP runners that I’m aware of.
And I pondered why she isn’t calling out her numerous American peers who were ALSO part of the same training group with the same dodgy coach.
This isn’t rocket science, try to keep up.
Americans? wrote:
sleazazar wrote:
Her quote doesn’t apply to any of the NOP runners that I’m aware of.
And I pondered why she isn’t calling out her numerous American peers who were ALSO part of the same training group with the same dodgy coach.
This isn’t rocket science, try to keep up.
Again, that’s because the actions she is criticizing in this tweet have not been done by the American NOP runners. So she can’t call them out on it.
Good for Emma .
sleazazar wrote:
Americans? wrote:
And I pondered why she isn’t calling out her numerous American peers who were ALSO part of the same training group with the same dodgy coach.
This isn’t rocket science, try to keep up.
Again, that’s because the actions she is criticizing in this tweet have not been done by the American NOP runners. So she can’t call them out on it.
Of course she can they were part of the same team with the same coach. Everyone of them knew about his reputation.
The L-Carnitine thing is interesting as it's not a PED. There is no evidence that it is performance enhancing (besides anecdotal evidence and Al-Sal's religious belief in it) and is not a banned substance.
The volume rule was put into place for an entirely different reason.
To me, Salazar seems as though he is a neurotic coach with poor people skills. He is obsessed with finding every legal advantage and often turns to pseudo-science. His approach to sport seems to fly directly in the face of the ethos of fair sport and I have no problem with him being banned for stepping over the line.
What I find most annoying about this board is the casual way posters fling the word "doping" around. Putting too much fluid in your veins is not doping. To me, those accusations insinuate EPO etc. I find myself coming to the "defence" of Salazar et al. due to a kneejerk reaction out of annoyance with this widespread overreaction to the facts (led by the Brojos). Salazar and co. certainly don't deserve defending online but I find myself doing it because so many on here are so bloody annoying.
With respect to Mo, there are no more facts here about PEDs but he certainly doesn't come out looking like the most ethical person.
mol_42 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7DrNJFdCk8schmutzig wrote:
Watch his 5000m heat from 2008 in Beijing, and then genuinely tell me that you thought he’d be a 3:28 man and double olympic champion only 5 years on.
This was 2005 and the guy runs about as badly as I do. I think we have to give some benefit of the doubt that he has actually improved A LOT as a runner... and it wasn't JUST some magic pills.
Time will tell, but still giving him benefit of the doubt for now...
Can I ask you a very simple question?
Based on what exactly are you giving him the benefit of the doubt? I am beyond intrigued at what you see that clearly 99% of us don't.
She was under the illusion that anyone was cheering for him in the first place. First, America is racist. Second, America doesn't follow track and field. Only bravies follow her.
This is the only post on this thread worth reading. /thread
asfdsadf wrote:
The L-Carnitine thing is interesting as it's not a PED. There is no evidence that it is performance enhancing (besides anecdotal evidence and Al-Sal's religious belief in it) and is not a banned substance.
The volume rule was put into place for an entirely different reason.
To me, Salazar seems as though he is a neurotic coach with poor people skills. He is obsessed with finding every legal advantage and often turns to pseudo-science. His approach to sport seems to fly directly in the face of the ethos of fair sport and I have no problem with him being banned for stepping over the line.
What I find most annoying about this board is the casual way posters fling the word "doping" around. Putting too much fluid in your veins is not doping. To me, those accusations insinuate EPO etc. I find myself coming to the "defence" of Salazar et al. due to a kneejerk reaction out of annoyance with this widespread overreaction to the facts (led by the Brojos). Salazar and co. certainly don't deserve defending online but I find myself doing it because so many on here are so bloody annoying.
With respect to Mo, there are no more facts here about PEDs but he certainly doesn't come out looking like the most ethical person.
In Beijing Mo was not yet well trained and he had not yet started training with Alberto Salazar. He lacked strength and he lacked many other things which really helped him to improve to the next level after meeting Salazar.
Therefore one should not insinuate that Farah is cheating.
Until we have conclusive evidence otherwise we should not conclude that he has cheated.
Thank you for taking this into account
Bad Wigins wrote:
The L-carnitine thing makes anti-doping look ridiculous, all being based on an arbitrary technical rule unrelated to performance enhancement. Injecting fluids doesn't help you any more than drinking them, even if it's more than 50mL.
Injecting more than 50mL of a solution is exactly the same as injecting 49mL of a more concentrated solution of the exact same thing with the exact same amount of the dissolved stuff. If you're going to bust Mo for something, please let it not be this nonsense. Find an actual PED.
It was disgraceful to use it against Salazar too. The thing Salazar WAS guilty of was distributing T-gel, which did justify his ban as a coach on ethical grounds even if it wasn't to an athlete. Same as if he'd been selling roids to recreational lifters at the local gym.
This post has so much wrong with it it's not even funny. It's the amount they can eject in a short period of time that is the illegal part, not the type of consumption. Injecting it gets it in your system faster.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
true dicslosure wrote:
She's become another shrill voice. She believes her own press way too much. She's the past of the steeple in the US and she realize it. Now she's just going the Kara route for attention.
Her coach/husband has major issues too.
Yeah, social media makes it too easy to take shots at people. The only result from her tweet will be that she and Mo will glare at eachother if their paths cross in Tokyo.
I always defer to the hotter individual. She's hot, Mo is not, I'm going with Emma on this one.
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
true dicslosure wrote:
She's become another shrill voice. She believes her own press way too much. She's the past of the steeple in the US and she realize it. Now she's just going the Kara route for attention.
Her coach/husband has major issues too.
Lol. Keep defending the cheaters, you Salazar leg-humper.
Lol no, they don't have issues. She's also the present in steeple, and an honorable person. Runners get punished for not having personality, then get bashed for stating an opinion. Her opinion isn't even unreasonable. What did she say that was incorrect?