what comes after racewalkers? 10 years down the line will hopping on one leg be a sport. maybe running on you knees?
what comes after racewalkers? 10 years down the line will hopping on one leg be a sport. maybe running on you knees?
505runner wrote:
what comes after racewalkers? 10 years down the line will hopping on one leg be a sport. maybe running on you knees?
Kind of like swimming......how "natural" is the Butterfly, backstroke, etc.... If running followed the same events we would see the 400 meter leapfrog, 100 meter backwards sprint, 1500 meter skippity do dah dash!
505runner wrote:
years down the line will hopping on one leg be a sport?
I hope so, I still have one good leg.
5krnr wrote:
505runner wrote:what comes after racewalkers? 10 years down the line will hopping on one leg be a sport. maybe running on you knees?
Kind of like swimming......how "natural" is the Butterfly, backstroke, etc.... If running followed the same events we would see the 400 meter leapfrog, 100 meter backwards sprint, 1500 meter skippity do dah dash!
GOOD CALL! I have been waiting for someone to mention swimming! I have always felt swimming is totally legit BUT if you think about it, all of the different strokes are kind of ridiculous. If the butterfly is ok in your mind, then racewalking has got to be ok too.
nope, that analogy doesnt work. no one had to teach you how to run. you do it naturally. someone most likely had to teach you how to swim. or at least you had to watch someone else very closely to learn how. it is for this reason that swimming different strokes isnt stupid. i dont think one stroke is more natural than the other (at least no where close to the difference between running and racewalking). to prove this, not all swimmers are best at freestyle. some for example are better at butterfly. and even if they arent, as i said before, the difference is minimal compared to running and racewalking. the whole part that bothers me, is when someone is running, they are "free" in a sense and doing everything in their power to move as fast as they possibly can. when someone is racewalking, they are fighting their own biomechanics to follow rules made up by someone in a race that should be considered to test ones full limits... its just stupid. track and field is about longer, faster, higher... its not about moving at an aggressively slow pace while officials watch to make sure you are following their own stupid rules used to keep you from moving in a quick, natural fashion.
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i dont think one stroke is more natural than the other (at least no where close to the difference between running and racewalking). to prove this, not all swimmers are best at freestyle.
If you mean that some swimmers are relatively better at the butterfly or breaststroke or backstroke than they are at the crawl, you're right. However, no competitive swimmer on the planet is absolutely better at any of the "modified" strokes than at the freestyle.
By being unclear here, you're shooting holes in your own argument, because a racewalker with 1:17:00 (20k walk)/34:00 (10k run) credentials could claim to be "better" at walking than at running, since a good runner might have, say, 1:30:00/30:00 credentials.
As far as what stroke is most natural, throw 100 toddlers in the water and see how many of them start doing the butterfly or the breaststroke rather than some version of the crawl. (This is flawed as well because the "stroke" best suited for basic survival isn't necessarily the fastest or most efficient.)
"1500 meter skippity do dah dash"
I think I saw Chris Phipps doing this of the San Francisco Marathon course two weeks ago...
Walking and running are probably the oldest sports in the world. Walking huge distances used to be a big deal. Racewalking is just another discipline like running hurdles or steeplechase or swimming breastroke. I don't think many racewalkers actually try to become airborne. It's just something your body wants to do after reaching a certain speed. These guys/gals are walking as fast as possible and when you reach a certain speed your body 'wants' to run. It's a very skill based discipline.
Alan
Keith Stone wrote:
Your attempts to be ironic are moronic.
"Oh my! My daughter is choking. Quick, WALK to the backyard to save her."
Is that better?
"I used to frown on all of the heckling of racewalkers that goes on here, but having watched the freakshow that was the men's 20K "walk" in Helsinki the other day, I have to concur that this sport has no place in elite track and field."
I "saw the light" regarding the "walks" in 1988 at the US Oly Trials. The men's 20K was the first real "walking" race I'd ever seen, and I watched closely... Too closely, probably, because it quickly became obvious to me that MOST of the competitors were lifting a significant percentage of the time and--further--that the judges were so far apart that there were regular stretches of the route when the walkers could be pretty confident that no one was watching. Know why walkers often go along in a "scrum"? They rotate from the middle to the outside, so that those protected in the middle can run along without being clearly seen by the judges.
"Walking" is an elaborate exercise in controlled, subtle cheating. It's that simple. It doesn't deserve our respect or attention.
CBS wrote:
"Oh my! My daughter is choking. Quick, WALK to the backyard to save her."
Is that better?
If you're trying to be MORE moronic, then yes. I assume then you're in favor of getting rid of swimming because the fastest way to save someone is throwing them a ring?
We need to get rid of XC, since everyone knows a hay bail is simply an artificial way to slow people down. Same with steeple, hurdles, and for sure triple jump. Anything that's not purely the simple measure of point-a to point-b in the fastest time is unnatural, so it must be banned and/or ridiculed. I mean really, running intentionlly through mud is pretty fricking stupid.
"Oh, my! My daughter is choking. QUICK! Jump that hay bail over in the corner of the yard, go round that tree! Now ford that creek! Make sure to figure out what length spikes to wear first!
Idiot.
this argument is not worthwhile for one simple reason. one side of this argument is telling how they really feel for many obvious reasons, and the other side is just arguing for arguments sake. you people cant really think, with no prejudice at all, that racewalking should be as respected as running. no matter what you say or try to prove or whatever, its just not realistic in this society to think that racewalkers should get the same respect that kennedy or michael johnson get. done and done.
Keith Stone wrote:
If you're trying to be MORE moronic, then yes. I assume then you're in favor of getting rid of swimming because the fastest way to save someone is throwing them a ring?
If still not impressed, then let's try again. Is this more ironic, or is it moronic?
Please review this thread and see it was YOU that was bragging how fast racewalkers are. Now that is iroonic AND moronic.
CBS wrote:
Please review this thread and see it was YOU that was bragging how fast racewalkers are. Now that is iroonic AND moronic.
Please review the thread and work on your obviously limited reading comprehension. I was simply pointing out that the statement "and they can WALK a half marathon probably faster than half the people on this board can run it" by "really" was in fact true.
That's not bragging, just making people aware of certain realities using data available to everyone here.
You on the other hand, are claiming that:
a) They really aren't walking anyway, they're just slower runners who are apparently always deserving of scorn.
b) No competition should allow anything you wouldn't do if you needed to get from your current location to the location of a choking child in a hurry.
Using your deteriorating reasoning can I also assume you're against the curves on the track too? You wouldn't run around the block to save your child, you'd just cut through the backyards right? You most certainly wouldn't go around the block more than once. I guess we need to ban everything but the 100 and point to point road races. Right?
Thanks! We've come full circle and again you've missed the irony. The whole point of the thread (read the title if you still don't get it) is that these people don't walk, they run. They claim to walk, but cheat whenever possible. And their RUNNING is not very fast compared to top runners making it a very obsolete sport.
And the next photo is kinda weird looking..
CBS wrote:
Thanks! We've come full circle and again you've missed the irony. The whole point of the thread (read the title if you still don't get it) is that these people don't walk, they run. They claim to walk, but cheat whenever possible. And their RUNNING is not very fast compared to top runners making it a very obsolete sport.
I didn't miss the irony at all because there isn't any. Just stupidity. The only thing obsolete is your reasoning.
I do understand that in the Neanderthal view held by many of the not fully developed around here anything that doesn't involve puking when you're done isn't a real sport and is therefore obsolete. Kind of like the people that think the moon landing was faked, Elvis is alive and could beat Webb in a 5K, everyone faster than they are is on drugs, and the reason Poodles have curly hair is space aliens had sex with them.
Irony only works when the situations have some basis in reality. Bush having a three way with his two daughters while Cheney watched would be ironic, rojo having a homosexual affair with John Bingham would be ironic, a letsrun basher gaining some degree of intelligence would be ironic, but since none of those has happened yet there's no irony.
Soi Cowboy wrote:
And the next photo is kinda weird looking..
http://www.trackandfieldphoto.com/DisplayNextJpg.php?050807_0836_4839_RLM&PHPSESSID=c81048e6d6f62ee30b66d52a87e39bd0
I've tried loading pics from that site on maybe a half-dozen systems over the past few months and have failed every time. I can't be in a small minority in being stymied over and over. If the site is to thrive in the least, it needs a webmaster/programmer with adequate skills. It is not terribly difficult to make jpeg images available even when zealously trying to guard them from downloading (which never works anyway). Sadly, the site at this point is like a deli with a big sign out front that reads "OPEN! BUT WE'RE FRESH OUT OF MEAT, CONDIMENTS, AND BREAD."
Keith Stone wrote:
I didn't miss the irony at all because there isn't any. Just stupidity. The only thing obsolete is your reasoning.
I do understand that in the Neanderthal view held by many of the not fully developed around here anything that doesn't involve puking when you're done isn't a real sport and is therefore obsolete. Kind of like the people that think the moon landing was faked, Elvis is alive and could beat Webb in a 5K, everyone faster than they are is on drugs, and the reason Poodles have curly hair is space aliens had sex with them.
Irony only works when the situations have some basis in reality. Bush having a three way with his two daughters while Cheney watched would be ironic, rojo having a homosexual affair with John Bingham would be ironic, a letsrun basher gaining some degree of intelligence would be ironic, but since none of those has happened yet there's no irony.
My last attempt. It's time to move on to help the normal kids in the class. You'll have to get extra help elsewhere in an attempt to catch up.
I found it ironic that you were bragging how fast walkers walk. (Ironic. The thread & content are they don't walk, they run).
You called the typical Let's Run reader neanderthal & stupid if they didn't agree with your seemingly frustrated view of race walking. Again ironic (Your actions being exactly what you are accusing others of being).
As for George Bush & John Bigham? Sorry, but my attention span simply couldn't last that long.
One last time, please explain to us how the cameras lie, walkers never lift between judges, & never pack to hide each other. We need one last dose of irony if you can provide this.
Finally, another possibly ironic thing is the fact that I started teasing you in a good natured fashion just to yank your chain a bit, but now I am concerned you actually believe some of the drivel you are spewing.
" track and field is about longer, faster, higher... its not about moving at an aggressively slow pace while officials watch to make sure you are following their own stupid rules used to keep you from moving in a quick, natural fashion."
How about the triple jump? I don't think its all that natural to jump in a specific pattern?
But I digress.
Racewalking really isn't all that unnatural. Try walking really really fast without running. Your legs tend to bend sort of funny, and when you look at pictures of racewalkers, you see that same "bend" to the leg.
And as someone else pointed out, yes, judging is to the "naked eye." What we see in pictures can't always be seen by the naked eye. As easy as it is to label it as "running," we weren't there to actually witness it. Nor is anyone here trained to officiate the event.
Again, who cares about the "legitmacy" of the event here in N.America...the woman is a DRUG CHEAT.