FCK OFF ROJO, THEY'RE KIDS. neither of them are even close to to OT standard, and touhey has one (1) off day in her entire high school career, and STILL WINS NXN, and suddenly she'll never make the olympics. LetsRun has had some stupid threads over the years, but this is possibly the worst one of all.
THEY ARE 17. LET THEM BE.
THIS THREAD MAKES ME UNREASONABLY ANGRY. I'M NOT A TOUHEY OR YOUNG FAN AND I JUST THINK THIS TOPIC IS ABSURD. THEY ARE NOT OLYMPIC HOPEFULS, THEY ARE MAYBE NCAA HOPEFULS.
Go into more depth. Drill down to the complete results of all of those races. One thing you'll notice is how many of those names you've never heard of again. Here's an example:
I hate to agree with Malmo, but this response is absolutely correct.
In three years, we'll already have a dozen "is update" or "whatever happened to" threads on both.
Definitely. When I looked at this in the past, the top 5 at footlocker had a much better chance of being olympians for the men versus the woman but the odds weren't great for either. If you look at the complete list you will see a lot more names you recognize. For example look at the 2006 results
I'm not going to apologize for analyzing the prospects of the top 2 HSers in the country. At Letsrun we celebrate the elite side of the sport and they are elite. If they don't want the scrutiny, then don't run the races. There is no mandate that they run in a free marketing event for Nike.
I didn't say Tuohy wasn't amazing. I've just consistently refused to join the hype train for the last 2+ years. After watching HS phenom after phenom not make it, after Mary Cain, I decided, "Enough is enough. I'm not going there again." People were going ga-ga over her and wondering why we weren't talking more about her. I was like, "Because she's a 15-16 year old HS girl." Now that she's come back to earth a little bit, people are mad that we even mention her.
But the reason why I came back here is I have an update from my original post.
The Tully Speed ratings for this year's race are out and Tully got a 163. In 2018, she won with a 167. In 2017, she won with a 172. Remember, each point is worth three seconds so that means that according to the Tully Speed Ratings, the Tuohy of 2017 would have beaten the Tuohy of 2019 by 27 seconds.
What about the conditions of the race? I heard the conditions were pretty bad this year. I also heard she gained some weight and muscle so she could be building up for shorter races. You're also blaming them for running, saying that if they don't want the scrutiny then don't run. That seems like what any self righteous jerk would say. A lot of the articles and discussions tend to get rude and disrespectful on this site. If anyone know a better site, feel free to share it with me since I'm done with this one.
I wish there was a better site for running news, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be. It's a small industry, I guess. I agree that LetsRun is run in an incredibly unprofessional way, especially with Rojo. He comes off as incredibly annoying.
Hats off to Tuohy. She just 3 peated and did it in amazing fashion. Had two women run her down and pull just about even with 200 meters to go but she found a way to hold them off.
But logic says Young has to be considered the bigger prospect.
1) Young nearly 15 seconds better than the next best US HSer right now.
2) Tuohy had 2 other girls right behind her within 1 second.
3) Tuohy isn't as a good as she was last year according to the Tully speed ratings. Her best mark this year would have been her #6 from last year.
When you combine those facts with all of the other struggles that HS girls phenoms have had over the years, I think Young is clearly the bigger prospect.
Rojo
PS. Please remember you are talking about real human beings in this thread.
Bumping this absolutely ridiculous board, not made by a troll but by the Letsrun creator himself to remind everyone that this site is horrible to young women and girls in a LOT of different ways. This was posted right after NXN 2019, where Tuohy had a bad race and yet here are the grown men already salivating over her downfall. Like--you couldn't wait a bit before posting this garbage thread which was sure to bring out the worst in people?
Keep in mind, it's not always trolls who post insulting things about young girls. It's middle aged men who feel entitled to comment on things they actually know nothing about. Katelyn has commented about the pressure she faced. You, Rojo is where the pressure is coming from.
Male high schoolers turning pro haven't exactly distinguished themselves either. Drew Hunter comes to mind. Bad idea in general for most high schoolers to turn pro. Even Athing Mu and Sydney McLaughlin, both Olympic champions with world class physical talent, ran in college. Young and Tuohy, while good, are nowhere near their level.
Hats off to Tuohy. She just 3 peated and did it in amazing fashion. Had two women run her down and pull just about even with 200 meters to go but she found a way to hold them off.
But logic says Young has to be considered the bigger prospect.
1) Young nearly 15 seconds better than the next best US HSer right now.
2) Tuohy had 2 other girls right behind her within 1 second.
3) Tuohy isn't as a good as she was last year according to the Tully speed ratings. Her best mark this year would have been her #6 from last year.
When you combine those facts with all of the other struggles that HS girls phenoms have had over the years, I think Young is clearly the bigger prospect.
Rojo
PS. Please remember you are talking about real human beings in this thread.
Bumping this absolutely ridiculous board, not made by a troll but by the Letsrun creator himself to remind everyone that this site is horrible to young women and girls in a LOT of different ways. This was posted right after NXN 2019, where Tuohy had a bad race and yet here are the grown men already salivating over her downfall. Like--you couldn't wait a bit before posting this garbage thread which was sure to bring out the worst in people?
Keep in mind, it's not always trolls who post insulting things about young girls. It's middle aged men who feel entitled to comment on things they actually know nothing about. Katelyn has commented about the pressure she faced. You, Rojo is where the pressure is coming from.
Did you get bit by a racoon in broad daylight recently? Nothing he said was remotely insulting, it wasn't even that critical. Maybe take a deep breath before you furiously abuse the keyboard next time.
Bumping this absolutely ridiculous board, not made by a troll but by the Letsrun creator himself to remind everyone that this site is horrible to young women and girls in a LOT of different ways. This was posted right after NXN 2019, where Tuohy had a bad race and yet here are the grown men already salivating over her downfall. Like--you couldn't wait a bit before posting this garbage thread which was sure to bring out the worst in people?
Keep in mind, it's not always trolls who post insulting things about young girls. It's middle aged men who feel entitled to comment on things they actually know nothing about. Katelyn has commented about the pressure she faced. You, Rojo is where the pressure is coming from.
Did you get bit by a racoon in broad daylight recently? Nothing he said was remotely insulting, it wasn't even that critical. Maybe take a deep breath before you furiously abuse the keyboard next time.
Hats off to Tuohy. She just 3 peated and did it in amazing fashion. Had two women run her down and pull just about even with 200 meters to go but she found a way to hold them off.
But logic says Young has to be considered the bigger prospect.
1) Young nearly 15 seconds better than the next best US HSer right now.
2) Tuohy had 2 other girls right behind her within 1 second.
3) Tuohy isn't as a good as she was last year according to the Tully speed ratings. Her best mark this year would have been her #6 from last year.
When you combine those facts with all of the other struggles that HS girls phenoms have had over the years, I think Young is clearly the bigger prospect.
Rojo
PS. Please remember you are talking about real human beings in this thread.
Bumping this absolutely ridiculous board, not made by a troll but by the Letsrun creator himself to remind everyone that this site is horrible to young women and girls in a LOT of different ways. This was posted right after NXN 2019, where Tuohy had a bad race and yet here are the grown men already salivating over her downfall. Like--you couldn't wait a bit before posting this garbage thread which was sure to bring out the worst in people?
Keep in mind, it's not always trolls who post insulting things about young girls. It's middle aged men who feel entitled to comment on things they actually know nothing about. Katelyn has commented about the pressure she faced. You, Rojo is where the pressure is coming from.
If the NCAA didn't hand out the free covid year Young would be the 5000m champion. And a 55 second close on a sub 13:30 isn't half bad. He will improve.
For your edification Rojo, this quote below is the part that sucks the most. I know it's too late for us to go to finishing school, but I thought you should know.
"When you combine those facts with all of the other struggles that HS girls phenoms have had over the years, I think Young is clearly the bigger prospect."
Tuohy knew she had it and slowed herself down approaching the line.
The difference between the men's and women's WRs is a matter of PEDS to be honest. They are more effective in women's endurance sports.
You’re reading her mind and most winners run across the line.
I’ve thought the same thing about the effect of PEDS on men and women. Men are already lean without them while the women that dope often show a visible change in physique.
You’re counterpoint means Touhy will have to dope to be as good as Olympic prospect as Young.
Touhy ran a great race today but rather than win with a kick, she ran an even pace over the last 3 laps and looked like she tied up at the very end.
Young’s 5000m PR is currently 36 seconds off of the mens WR while Touhy is 68 off of the womens. Young is the better Olympic prospect.
letsbreal folks, only shot Young has as an Oly prospect is in the marathon. and his body is perfect for it.
Tuohy on the other hand is in no-man's land; not enough speed for 10k or shorter and doesn't have the right build/stride for the marathon.
thus this is an easy one: Young.
Young will make the Olympic team in the 10,000. Tuohy will make the team in the 5,000. Neither will go on to win an Olympic medal, but does that really matter? Jakob and the East Africans will be chilling on top of the pile for the next 8 years and the only time an American will be able to medal is during a fluke race with weird tactics or terrible weather.
It is just a fact. People seems to want to make a point about the difference between the college and WRs on the men's and women's sides. Well the reason for that is that PEDs are more effective in women's endurance sports, which is why we talk about the East German women's swim team or the Chinese women's swim and distance running teams.
For your edification, no one is a medal threat without rocket fuel. Sorry.
Touhy ran a great race today but rather than win with a kick, she ran an even pace over the last 3 laps and looked like she tied up at the very end.
Young’s 5000m PR is currently 36 seconds off of the mens WR while Touhy is 68 off of the womens. Young is the better Olympic prospect.
letsbreal folks, only shot Young has as an Oly prospect is in the marathon. and his body is perfect for it.
Tuohy on the other hand is in no-man's land; not enough speed for 10k or shorter and doesn't have the right build/stride for the marathon.
thus this is an easy one: Young.
Young has 3:37 speed and improving which means he’s just as competitive in the 5/10K as he could be in the marathon. It’s probably easier to make the U.S. marathon team than the 10, but internationally, the competition is fierce.