rojo wrote:
It's total Vindication for LetsRun. I know Jonathan Gault, Steve Soprano and myself got some flak for saying she had a zero percent change of Olympic gold in the marathon.
How is this a vindication? Nobody thought it was likely. It was a question of HOW unlikely. The fact that she won't do it doesn't mean that your assessment of her odds at that time was correct.
post nups wrote:
Letsrun doesn't like outspoken women who dream big. Simple as that.
I support individuals who are rational, work hard, and run for themselves.
Gwen is only one of these.
Jordan Hasay hits all three. Rowburry. Houlihan. KK.
It has nothing to do with being a woman. To me, Gwen insulted the running community for media coverage. Those god awful YouTube videos. My lord. Now, as Rojo said, we get the “ha - told you so”.
Macdaddy wrote:
post nups wrote:
Letsrun doesn't like outspoken women who dream big. Simple as that.
I support individuals who are rational, work hard, and run for themselves.
Gwen is only one of these.
Jordan Hasay hits all three. Rowburry. Houlihan. KK.
It has nothing to do with being a woman. To me, Gwen insulted the running community for media coverage. Those god awful YouTube videos. My lord. Now, as Rojo said, we get the “ha - told you so”.
Yes, exposure is bad for the sport and high goals are bad for success.
I just watched the video, and she actually says her goal is still to win gold in the Olympic marathon. So presumably 2024? When she'll be four years older?
post nups wrote:
Yes, exposure is bad for the sport and high goals are bad for success.
Yes in fact, unrealistic goals ARE bad for success. Goals should be hard, but within reach. Completely unrealistic goals will cause you to crash and burn... which is EXACTLY what she did.
ObservingObserver wrote:
trigaotdkj wrote:
Mo and Gwen are your 10000 champs in Tokyo. Take it to the bank. Or not.
Even if Gwen makes the 10000m in the Olympics, it's likely she'll get lapped by Ayana, Gidey, Hassan etc. The gap in talent on the world stage is that distinct. Running sub 31 would be huge for Gwen but when you have someone like Gidey running a 29:11 or whatever that ridiculous split was in the middle of a road 15k well.... the numbers speak for themselves.
I think it would be very entertaining if Tuohy qualifies for the trials 5000m and races against Gwen. I'd love to see that race.
Is it talent causing that gap? Or something else?
Raysism wrote:
I just watched the video, and she actually says her goal is still to win gold in the Olympic marathon. So presumably 2024? When she'll be four years older?
Yeah, don’t forget Stanley wants a younger sibling.
Gwen Fan wrote:
post nups wrote:
Yes, exposure is bad for the sport and high goals are bad for success.
Yes in fact, unrealistic goals ARE bad for success. Goals should be hard, but within reach. Completely unrealistic goals will cause you to crash and burn... which is EXACTLY what she did.
I'm sure having high goals hindered her when she became the Olympic champion. She should have set her sights lower.
Astrid2 wrote:
ObservingObserver wrote:
Even if Gwen makes the 10000m in the Olympics, it's likely she'll get lapped by Ayana, Gidey, Hassan etc. The gap in talent on the world stage is that distinct. Running sub 31 would be huge for Gwen but when you have someone like Gidey running a 29:11 or whatever that ridiculous split was in the middle of a road 15k well.... the numbers speak for themselves.
I think it would be very entertaining if Tuohy qualifies for the trials 5000m and races against Gwen. I'd love to see that race.
Is it talent causing that gap? Or something else?
It’s drugs.
Besides her naivety, I'm finding this whole experiment of hers rather interesting. I thought she'd struggle to with the marathon, but for a 15:15 5000 m runner, she's really bad at the marathon, especially considering it has been her focus. Is triathlon that weak or do her legs just not handle running fast for longer than 10 km?
Unless Jorgensen can suddenly develop a kick it doesn't matter. Track races, particularly championship races, are all decided by the kick. In other words, throw out her times. Times don't matter.
Les wrote:
Unless Jorgensen can suddenly develop a kick it doesn't matter. Track races, particularly championship races, are all decided by the kick. In other words, throw out her times. Times don't matter.
That's not true on the women's side. The top 3 are often separated by 10+ seconds.
As a rabbit owner, I approve of this user name!
post nups wrote:
Name an outspoken woman who dreams big that isn't crucified on here.
You just want Gwen to set her goals lower and shut up.
Name one runner (or anybody for that matter) who isn't crucified on here. Example - Sage Canaday. That guy actually posts on here, his goal is to run an OTQ, running a time he has actually run before, and he is constantly crucified. Are you saying that you believe that Sage is female and that's why he is crucified? Please explain?
Or better yet, just stop being an idiot.
Please post your address so I can send you all pacifiers.
What a bunch of children you are. This thread is ridiculous.
crumpet wrote:
Please post your address so I can send you all pacifiers.
What a bunch of children you are. This thread is ridiculous.
Agreed.
Good for Gwen. Hopefully she realizes that she’s not designed for the full. Many of us are not. I am one.
After a couple of sub 16 5ks (a good time for a female), and a 4:35 Mile, I was never able to break 2:40 in the full. After 2 attempts (both between 2:41-2:43) I decided I did not enjoy it nor was it my forte.
Hopefully Gwen focuses her efforts on her strengths. Best wishes to her.
saturn runner wrote:
she was disrespectful to the event and dismissive to all the world class athletes who compete at the top level. it was a stupid, presumptuous, and hollow thing to say. and she said it for attention. like a child. but she isn’t a child, she is an adult.
Sums it up perfectly. Stunning degree of ignorance and disrespect.
Hardloper wrote:
Les wrote:
Unless Jorgensen can suddenly develop a kick it doesn't matter. Track races, particularly championship races, are all decided by the kick. In other words, throw out her times. Times don't matter.
That's not true on the women's side. The top 3 are often separated by 10+ seconds.
She won't make it that far. She'll be outkicked or just dropped at the U.S. Nationals.
Les wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
That's not true on the women's side. The top 3 are often separated by 10+ seconds.
She won't make it that far. She'll be outkicked or just dropped at the U.S. Nationals.
I'm talking about US nationals. Kicking doesn't matter because there's usually huge separation among the top 3.
Nike wasn't going to fund her 'Thon dreams too much longer so this had to figure into her decision. Husband needs to start looking for real job soon if this doesn't pan out. Stanley will start worrying soon if they can't pay for piano lessons when he turns three.
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