HS Phenom Nico Young 7x 1k 2:46 avg!!!!!!!

Developmental Coach wrote:

Sean is developing kids from NP. Hate all you want but everyone on this thread wishes they were coaching NP boys & girls team, maybe except Doug Soles. The top 2 HS coaches are from Southern California.

There are quite a few coaches in CA that have much more impressive resumes than 1 State Championship. Pretty insulting to them.

NotSureBro wrote:

Isn't that the point of this workout? The reps are hard but a full 3-minute rest is given so they're recovered by the next one. Remember most of the kids are only doing 6 reps. Only the national-caliber(Nico ranked number 1 and Jace ranked 20th) seniors are doing 7 reps, this is because they can handle more and are getting slightly more rest than the other kids because they finished before.

I mean, for example, Marcus O'Sullivan at Villanova uses 300,400,500,600m reps at Vo2 max pace, and used rest periods of 2:00.

Again, anyone who thinks this amount of volume at this pace isn't that hard is crazy. They also (at least they used to in the last few years) do workouts with a mile starting basically close to max effort. I would imagine if they're still doing that, Young would be opening those workouts with something in the 4:20 range.

Tough stuff!

Am I the only one who see's how terrible nico and every other runners form is? The arm swing very low back kick ext...

runners that fast with form that bad are a product of overtraining. They will all be done in 3 years max

wrrr wrote:

Am I the only one who see's how terrible nico and every other runners form is? The arm swing very low back kick ext...

runners that fast with form that bad are a product of overtraining. They will all be done in 3 years max

Ever heard of Japanese runners?

Yeah...if this is the Brosnan I knew from waaaay back in the day...he over-trained quite a bit himself at times...we called it 'running yourself into the ground.' Can't tell from one workout but I hope he also teaches kids about proper recovery as much as nailing hard workouts. The few years I coached I gave kids workouts that were fast with volume like this with mixed recoveries but we always followed it with 2-3 easy/recovery days of light running, stretching, etc.. Preached recovery as more important than anything. Still, tough workout. I remember being on a college team that did 8x1000 in 2:50 or so on grass, last couple on track under 2:45. That was hard enough for me! But I agree with some posters that if long term development is the goal, this is probably too much volume, too fast at this level.

7k of volume at a bit faster than 5k pace was pretty standard for me in HS. 6 x 1200 was a staple for our team.

I was doing 10k worth of work at that pace in college. It was usually 3 x 2k, 4 x 1k.

I’m not saying that’s ideal training. But let’s not act like that’s a crazy hard workout or anything. I would be surprised if a kid of that caliber couldn’t complete that workout.

BeenThereDoneThat wrote:

Yeah...if this is the Brosnan I knew from waaaay back in the day...he over-trained quite a bit himself at times...we called it 'running yourself into the ground.' Can't tell from one workout but I hope he also teaches kids about proper recovery as much as nailing hard workouts. The few years I coached I gave kids workouts that were fast with volume like this with mixed recoveries but we always followed it with 2-3 easy/recovery days of light running, stretching, etc.. Preached recovery as more important than anything. Still, tough workout. I remember being on a college team that did 8x1000 in 2:50 or so on grass, last couple on track under 2:45. That was hard enough for me! But I agree with some posters that if long term development is the goal, this is probably too much volume, too fast at this level.

It's always funny when people act like they know the coach or athlete.

And what people forget is Nico Young is number one in the country right now. He ran 13:39 in cross country for three miles this season. The kid also ran 8:40 in the 3200m as a junior and seems to be getting better and better. This is a good show of Nico's fitness in November and it doesn't seem that crazy for a kid who will likely break national records.

Be Realistic Now wrote:

7k of volume at a bit faster than 5k pace was pretty standard for me in HS. 6 x 1200 was a staple for our team.

I was doing 10k worth of work at that pace in college. It was usually 3 x 2k, 4 x 1k.

I’m not saying that’s ideal training. But let’s not act like that’s a crazy hard workout or anything. I would be surprised if a kid of that caliber couldn’t complete that workout.

2:45 on wet grass is probably 2:42-3 at most on a track. That is not close to 5k pace. Sub 2:50 for their number 2, not close either. It is a total ball buster.

This would be one of the monstrous race efforts you all describe did it wasn’t three minutes rest.

For y’all who run 800-1200 reps, what do your coaches normally give you for rest? For 6 reps of 1k I’d be getting maybe 90 sec rest if I’m lucky.

His pace is insane yeah but the rest makes this not the worlds hardest workout some of you whine abt

HMM?? wrote:

Is 7x1k at 5k pace with equal rest time 3 minutes really that hard of a workout? My Team used to do 8x800m at 2-miles with 2:30-3-minute rest and it wasn't that hard.

It's pretty typical for a major program D1 athlete, but for H.S. kid, I think it is way ahead of the curve. I've had sub-9 H.S. 2-milers who would only run (6) 800s at that pace 'on a track'. I am more impressed with the volume than the times, although, it seems a bit much this close to a championship.

TrackCoach wrote:

HMM?? wrote:

Is 7x1k at 5k pace with equal rest time 3 minutes really that hard of a workout? My Team used to do 8x800m at 2-miles with 2:30-3-minute rest and it wasn't that hard.

It's pretty typical for a major program D1 athlete, but for H.S. kid, I think it is way ahead of the curve. I've had sub-9 H.S. 2-milers who would only run (6) 800s at that pace 'on a track'. I am more impressed with the volume than the times, although, it seems a bit much this close to a championship.

We actually don't know the date this workout was done. Just the date posted (Nov 17th). The coach says it's the last hard effort before they taper. NXN is December 7th this year. Seems like plenty of time to me!?!?!??

If you haven’t broken 4:10 for the mile please don’t comment on this thread. Keep moving. To understand and appreciate this workout you would need to be an Elite athlete. Nico is the future of American Distance Running. Sean is developing American kids into studs. Instead of tearing him down why not congratulate him. He has a formula that is working. Nico might be his first stud but I can guarantee he won’t be his last. Nico runs 50 mpw, not60 not 70, not 80 not 90 not 100. Sean is leaving so much room for improvement for his college years and professional. Booyaa

SdrowssaP wrote:

Nico runs 50 mpw, not60 not 70, not 80 not 90 not 100. Sean is leaving so much room for improvement for his college years and professional. Booyaa

50 miles per week for Nico is roughly 45 minutes a day on average for 7 days of running. If that's really all he's been running I'm extremely impressed.

I wonder how that compares to another runner (running alone and older than the HS boys), a XC workout yesterday 4 X 2K with a small gradual hill each 1K. 70 degrees.

4 X 2K in 5:56.86; 5:51.16; 5:49.90; 5:46.31 with standing rests 59.87; 62;47;57;09;23.67 before the cooldown.

What runner is that?

SdrowssaP wrote:

If you haven’t broken 4:10 for the mile please don’t comment on this thread. Keep moving. To understand and appreciate this workout you would need to be an Elite athlete. Nico is the future of American Distance Running. Sean is developing American kids into studs. Instead of tearing him down why not congratulate him. He has a formula that is working. Nico might be his first stud but I can guarantee he won’t be his last. Nico runs 50 mpw, not60 not 70, not 80 not 90 not 100. Sean is leaving so much room for improvement for his college years and professional. Booyaa

How can you be so sure?

First of all, the coach says in multiple interviews that Nico runs 70 mpw.

As far as his formula for developing American kids into studs. I can't find any of his runners, either boys or girls, who are running beyond high school. Maybe I missed one while searching. How do you know he is leaving so much room for improvement?

When you have freshmen who's very first high school cross country races are 14:37, 15:44, 15:49 and 16:23, I'm not sure a coach can take credit for developing them. No question this team is REALLY good. I think you can congratulate him for coaching a team full of talented kids, but not sure it's his formula. Who is tearing him down? They've had 2 videos of his workouts that people are questioning if it's appropriate or too hard for high schoolers. Stop putting yourself out there and asking for attention if you don't want to be criticized.

This is way way way too hard for any high school runner to be doing.

SdrowssaP wrote:

If you haven’t broken 4:10 for the mile please don’t comment on this thread. Keep moving. To understand and appreciate this workout you would need to be an Elite athlete. Nico is the future of American Distance Running. Sean is developing American kids into studs. Instead of tearing him down why not congratulate him. He has a formula that is working. Nico might be his first stud but I can guarantee he won’t be his last. Nico runs 50 mpw, not60 not 70, not 80 not 90 not 100. Sean is leaving so much room for improvement for his college years and professional. Booyaa

Lol. I bet you haven’t even broken 4:30.

PrZ wrote:

SdrowssaP wrote:

If you haven’t broken 4:10 for the mile please don’t comment on this thread. Keep moving. To understand and appreciate this workout you would need to be an Elite athlete. Nico is the future of American Distance Running. Sean is developing American kids into studs. Instead of tearing him down why not congratulate him. He has a formula that is working. Nico might be his first stud but I can guarantee he won’t be his last. Nico runs 50 mpw, not60 not 70, not 80 not 90 not 100. Sean is leaving so much room for improvement for his college years and professional. Booyaa

Lol. I bet you haven’t even broken 4:30.

That’s not true. His struggle to break 4 has been well chronicled.