Jordan Hasay, the master of subtlety, just slammed Mary Cain on Instagram!?

high school xc coach wrote:

knower of people wrote:

Never met Mary Cain, but I have met Hasay and her parents- some creepy vibes there. Met Alberto "brown aura" Salazar too, even saw him handing unmarked white jars of "supplements" to Rupp back in 2005-6.

Also met Kara and Adam, lovely people who I'd have no reason to doubt.

I see no reason not to believe Cain at this point.

often, people with the best social skills, are the most full of it. They realize perception is reality. Play life as a game. and do very well with it.

people with creepy vibes often just have terrible social skills. Like most of the people on this site. They can't help it. Doesn't say anything about whether they are good or bad people.

Benefit of the doubt aside, most of the time it's the genuine creeps who give off the negative vibes. Conversely, it's the good folks who give off the positive.

I know many people with awkward social skills who are great people, also know some who are not so great. It's not that hard to tell the difference unless you're trying to trying really hard to make excuses for bad behavior.

zxcvcvx wrote:

Why is weight such the focus on women athletes when it is not on men? Salazar, now, that is a different story. But usually the assumption is that the men have it under control and that their muscle makes up for any additional weight. In women runners, I recall both thin and medium-sized runners doing very well in high school and college.

Weight is a focus for all athletes including men. The difference is that rather than taking care of business and focusing on their goals women are more likely to complain that telling them control their weight is abuse.

I’m not a Hasay worshipper but the OP is a moron. My guess is she is required to post some rah! rah! commercial shout out every certain number of days. I’ve seen her post other Kobe quotes and actually believe this one may be recycled. There is no conspiracy against Cain.

zxcvcvx wrote:

I recall both thin and medium-sized runners doing very well in high school and college.

Err, you may not have noticed, but none of this is about "high school and college" runners.

Read the comments on the actual posting. You'll then see what kind of cringey people post here. Who says those types of things?

everyone else does wrote:

I don't see what the big deal is does Hasay work with Julian like every other NOP runner. At least that is what we have been led to believe

Julian would have stood there and watched Sandusky do his thing , and say nothing .

Jordan should try hiring David Goggins as her next mentor/coach. He'll get her cussing like a sailor and most importantly, to "Stay Hard" during training.

T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

The doping cheater Hasay would have rapist kobe as a hero.

Great company, nike. They name their buildings after pedophile joepa, doping cheater LA and doping cheater sleazy sal. They fund the raping and drunk driving lifestyles of rapist kobe and mega-jerk woods.

zxcvcvx wrote:

Why is weight such the focus on women athletes when it is not on men? Salazar, now, that is a different story. But usually the assumption is that the men have it under control and that their muscle makes up for any additional weight. In women runners, I recall both thin and medium-sized runners doing very well in high school and college.

it kind of blows me away that people seem to think men all have it under control when it comes to weight.

high school xc coach wrote:

knower of people wrote:

Never met Mary Cain, but I have met Hasay and her parents- some creepy vibes there. Met Alberto "brown aura" Salazar too, even saw him handing unmarked white jars of "supplements" to Rupp back in 2005-6.

Also met Kara and Adam, lovely people who I'd have no reason to doubt.

I see no reason not to believe Cain at this point.

often, people with the best social skills, are the most full of it. They realize perception is reality. Play life as a game. and do very well with it.

people with creepy vibes often just have terrible social skills. Like most of the people on this site. They can't help it. Doesn't say anything about whether they are good or bad people.

Look at Bill Clinton. Totally full of BS and a totally sketchy dude, but world class social skills. Could charm anyone face to face. Anyone.

zxcvcvx wrote:

Why is weight such the focus on women athletes when it is not on men? Salazar, now, that is a different story. But usually the assumption is that the men have it under control and that their muscle makes up for any additional weight. In women runners, I recall both thin and medium-sized runners doing very well in high school and college.

Who told you it’s not a focus for men?

Wetmore flat out told Adam Goucher he was fat at CU. Very much stressed being as thin as possible. It’s documented in the book.

Look at football. Players are given specific weight targets and are fined if they miss them.

Look at Zion. That’s all the media can talk about.

Look at Charles Barkley. The round mound of rebound. Being fat was practically his identity in the public and media.

Look at bike racing. They are hyper focused on weight and diet.

Look at the book once a runner. He glorifies being “gaunt”.

100%

But if you only read the LR threads, you would think weight was only an issue for women. It's kind of bizarre.

JOrDan iS a hEro

All men can maintain a fairly low body fat percentage and stay healthy, and they have low risk of developing an eating disorder. On the other hand, there's a big disparity in women's natural body fat levels, a few women can actually maintain ~10% and stay healthy, but most cannot, and they'll be unhealthy if they try to emulate the few who can. And, women are statistically 10 times more likely to have an eating disorder. So it makes sense that it is primarily a female specific issue.

jiaaf wrote:

Ablerto wrote:

Who is Ablerto?

You have never heard the story about Cain and Ablerto?

It took me about 45 seconds to understand this .

I am a slow learner .

It truly wrecked the thread !!!

Kudos LOLOLOLO!!!!!

Jzsbbs wrote:

Regardless of whether or not she reached out privately, it’s tasteless to post something the next day that doesn’t even acknowledge what happened.

Magness said something on Twitter about how all NOP athletes and staff are under NDAs. Legally, Hasay may not be able to say anything unless she wants Nike to come after her. And yes, while NOP has disbanded, there may be a scope on the NDA that survives termination of the group (if that was contemplated).

I don't hold it against any NOP athletes for being silent on the matter. I wouldn't want Nike suing me.

Weight is an issue that MUST concern a coach. It has an impact on performance and if managed, can therefore improve performance.

The issue is that to discuss this FACT, a coach touches the third rail - the untouchable! I am not defending belittling / shaming of athletes, but if a coach cannot even discuss the topic of body composition / weight, then it is like they are fighting with one hand tied behind their back. There must be a sensible way to discuss this with athletes without touching the third rail and electrocuting oneself.

My own D1 female running daughter just went to college and promptly put on 20lbs. She brought it up on the phone, knowing it was a massive problem for her performance. We discussed it and tried to ferret out the problem(s). We did not put pressure on her, but talked dispassionately about the fact that every pound put on was extremely difficult to take off. It was helpful for us to read Stacy Simms book Roar that discusses the impact of women's menstrual cycle, of birth control pills, and of food/supplements on engery levels, weight, and performance. We are managing the weight and have corrected the problem, all with no input either way from her coaches.

If the accounts are accurate, Salazar and team handled the topic horribly. But pro-level and collegiate coaches must be able to discuss and help manage, though not shame or blame, athletes weight. Good luck coaches, because doing so is like walking through a mine field.

Lastly, NOP is at full fault for its actions regarding Cain's handling. But if that happened to my kid, I would be beside myself with guilt for not vetting the program better and/or not monitoring what my daughter was going through. That it happened once was not my fault. But that it continued to happen, yes, that is at least a bit on me as a parent.

I could go on wrote:

zxcvcvx wrote:

Why is weight such the focus on women athletes when it is not on men? Salazar, now, that is a different story. But usually the assumption is that the men have it under control and that their muscle makes up for any additional weight. In women runners, I recall both thin and medium-sized runners doing very well in high school and college.

Who told you it’s not a focus for men?

Wetmore flat out told Adam Goucher he was fat at CU. Very much stressed being as thin as possible. It’s documented in the book.

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Yep. Look at all the talk of Webb having too much upper body mass. And if you look at the elite runners at the starting line, you will see some decent difference in mass. Everyone is pretty skinny but we are still talking about noticeable difference. Look at Kiprop versus anyone else in the field:)

If you read Mary's description of trying to go back to NOP, she describes it as the point where the scales fell from her eyes and she saw Alberto for what he is.

I think someone needs to get Jordan away from her current situation.Remember the pressure Salazar put on her - "If you don't improve (read: Do EVERYTHING I say), I won't be able to coach you anymore". Jordan has Stockholm Syndrome.