Dalilah Muhammad believes she could break 2:00 in the 800; ran 12x400 avg. 71 with minute rest

Les wrote:

If she can run under 2 flat, then she's a world class 800 runner and can get into Diamond League meets. Don't think she's that good. Running 800 meters is not the same as running 400H. They're different events requiring specialized training. If skills carried over they'd be a lot more 800 runners with 400H background, but I don't think there's a single one. There's very few 400 flat runners who moved up to 800 and were successful.

Well 1:59 isn’t really world class to be honest, won’t get you very far on the world stage.

And she is the world record holder at 400 hurdles why on earth would she want to run the 800?

Les wrote:

If she can run under 2 flat, then she's a world class 800 runner and can get into Diamond League meets. Don't think she's that good. Running 800 meters is not the same as running 400H. They're different events requiring specialized training. If skills carried over they'd be a lot more 800 runners with 400H background, but I don't think there's a single one. There's very few 400 flat runners who moved up to 800 and were successful.

Les wrote, in part, "If skills carried over they'd be a lot more 800 runners with 400H background, but I don't think there's a single one."

not how it works !!! wrote:

So far, D. Mohammed has not raced an 800m anywhere near sub-2. Sub-55 400m is usually what is needed for a sub-2 800m. D. Mohammed checks off that box. Twelve x 400m, ave. 71 seconds proves nothing to me. I know more 400m athletes with sub-53 400m who were unable to race sub-2 800m than 400m athletes with sub-53 400m who were able to race sub-2 800m. In my observation, 400m athletes with a sub-53 400m who are also able to run 8K or 5 miles sub-30 on tempo runs are the sub-2 800m runners. I am not stating D. Mohammed cannot race sub-2 800m. Get back to me when she's running sub-30 8K or 5 miles.

hahaha

fool.

She's a 50 flat 400 and sub 53 400 h.

No one gives a shpit about her 8 k time when all she has to do is run sub 2 once

alabama runner wrote:

From timescalculator.appspot.com

With a 50.0 400m, to break 2:00 you need 4:42.5 for a mile. It is dubious that she could break 4:45 in a mile, so I think she could not run sub-2:00. She could be close, though.

Rubbish.

You don't need to run a mile at all.

I was 46.4 400 and easily ran a one off 1:52 indoors, easing off.

Just cos you can't do it, doesn't mean others can't. A hard 600 and hang on. Not how I did it. I only started running at the 500 mark, and eased the last 100. And I wasn't even a stamina guy. Just a strength guy.

A one off 800 is not hard. Especially for the world 400 m h, Olympic and World champion, and WR holder.

You just don't understand the talent gap between you and athletes of her caliber

Les wrote:

If she can run under 2 flat, then she's a world class 800 runner and can get into Diamond League meets. Don't think she's that good. Running 800 meters is not the same as running 400H. They're different events requiring specialized training. If skills carried over they'd be a lot more 800 runners with 400H background, but I don't think there's a single one. There's very few 400 flat runners who moved up to 800 and were successful.

So you don't think the WORLD RECORD HOLDER at one distance (and clearly strength-based in that) can't race the next distance up in a DL meet? lofl

I'm she can anything!! SARMS is magical!

team Unruly Bush wrote:

Bib #1 wrote:

Calling BS on this. There is nothing comfortable about a 2:06 800m except for maybe a dozen women worldwide, and those dozen specialize in the 800

I disagree. I was a crappy high school runner and a 2:06 would've felt like a breeze on it's own, while sub 2 would've been all out. 7 seconds is huge.

She’s a sprinter, not a mid-d runner. 2:06 would not be comfortable for her, if her top end is only 7 seconds slower, IMO

Can't think of a single female 400 runner who moved up to 800 and made a career of it. I.e. One who started out as a pro running 400, then switched to the 800 full time and was successful.

2:01 was enough to get Hanna Green into Pre where she finished 4th in around 1:59. I'd say that's world class. Green went on to finish 2nd at USA Nationals and make the World Championships team. IAAF World Championships standard for women was 2:00.60 btw.

JS could get her to 20x4@70

Jearl Miles Clark!

Won World Champs over 400 and then stepped up to the 800 and set the US record 1:56.40.

Think she did OK?

Too busy to read all the post but to be honest most 400 hurdlers should be able to run a fast 800m. If she ran 12x400 in 71 avg then her aerobic system is well enough developed to run under 2 minutes. Sydney would be similar but she is more speed based. The norwegian male (i can't remember his name can run) can run 1:46 for sure. Just my opinion and oh yea Edwin Moses ran 1:47 for 800m.

Firstly, never believe everything you read about the training of athletes in a magazine such as SI. It may well be that whoever gave the magazine the information was having a bit of a laugh or spreading false information in an attempt to psyche out rivals. May all be perfectly genuine but you can't rely on that being the case!

If anyone could run those 400s they should be capable of running comfortably below 5:00 in the mile, more like 4:40ish.

I’ve done similar 400 workouts in volume and pace. I was nowhere near 2:00 800 pace. When I’ve done the intervals at 62-65, I was in 2:00 fitness.

not how it works !!! wrote:

team Unruly Bush wrote:

You know what's easier than a 12x400 workout? Entering a local early season meet and running an 800.

Four-hundred metres & 400mH athletes do better in 400m repeat workouts than 400m & 400mH athletes are able to race 800m. Post an 8K or five mile tempo run by D Mohammed in sub-30 minutes before I believe D Mohammed is near elite 800m fitness.

Five miles? Lol what? What you have is a superior athlete than most any of the women that run the 800m. If she's in shape she would definitely be able to run 2:00. If she specifically trained for it I'd expect her to win.

Most people get into distance because they aren't that athletic. When you have an athletic stud, and world record holder, who then chooses to do distance then it's not even a competition.

She has the speed for sure and I imagine an elite athlete with that speed could gut out a 1:59 800 with a bit of training, but for an average person would this workout (12x400 @ 71 seconds) indicate sub-2:00 800 fitness? Seems doubtful but I don’t know much about 800 training.

rosshm16 wrote:

She has the speed for sure and I imagine an elite athlete with that speed could gut out a 1:59 800 with a bit of training, but for an average person would this workout (12x400 @ 71 seconds) indicate sub-2:00 800 fitness? Seems doubtful but I don’t know much about 800 training.

It wouldn't no. The average person doing that sort of workout wouldn't be a 49 second 400m runner though. It would be someone who was a 4:40/10:00 type.

are you a distance runner? I think it is different when a sprinter can run workouts like that.

rosshm16 wrote:

She has the speed for sure and I imagine an elite athlete with that speed could gut out a 1:59 800 with a bit of training, but for an average person would this workout (12x400 @ 71 seconds) indicate sub-2:00 800 fitness? Seems doubtful but I don’t know much about 800 training.

Average person? No obviously not. But for someone who’s a long sprinter with 50 flat or better 400m speed? Yeah probably.