Why aren’t we taking about Enoch Nadler’s breakthrough 2:17 to 2:13!! Awesome! Top 15 at Trials or better!!
Why aren’t we taking about Enoch Nadler’s breakthrough 2:17 to 2:13!! Awesome! Top 15 at Trials or better!!
I'm betting that this kind of breakthrough occurs in Kenya and Ethiopia all the time, though probably starting from a higher base, more like 2:10-11 to 2:04-5, because if you do the same training of the top guys in your country, you'll see commensurate results. That's why even if you took the drugs out, you'd see huge quality depth in Kenyan marathoning. The shoes are part of this, of course. They take 1:30-3:00 off.
i think we're seeing the real value of the vaporfly's here. the top women had 5-7min pb's as well. i gotta get me a pair of those!!
Given that Speed River runners (Coolsaet, Gillis et al) spent a decade trying to crack 210, and they never did, I'd say there is not too much doping in Canadian marathoning. Same for women - breaking 230 is unusual in Canada.
And Trevor dropped out of Speed River. Maybe he found what works for him. And got lucky.
At the 32km turnaround, he was still high fiving people. He drifted across the road to high five Levins, who was fading at that point.
Perfect day, perfect pacing, perfect prep. It happens. He may never break 215 again. But who cares. This was awesome to watch.
Jjjjkk wrote:
Faster than all Americans this year except for Korir
Judas F-ing Priest....
Canada does not have to be continually defined with regard to the US. Just stop....
Definitely on the poutine.
elmorez wrote:
This clip isn't from yesterday is it? He has a shaved head and different singlet...
No, that was from 2 years ago. Seems like a character. A bit more personality than Levins for sure.
PEDs
xzcvzxcv wrote:
I'm betting that this kind of breakthrough occurs in Kenya and Ethiopia all the time, though probably starting from a higher base, more like 2:10-11 to 2:04-5, because if you do the same training of the top guys in your country, you'll see commensurate results. That's why even if you took the drugs out, you'd see huge quality depth in Kenyan marathoning. The shoes are part of this, of course. They take 1:30-3:00 off.
The catch here is, he STOPPED training with the "top guys" in his country to get this breakthrough.
YMMV wrote:
xzcvzxcv wrote:
I'm betting that this kind of breakthrough occurs in Kenya and Ethiopia all the time, though probably starting from a higher base, more like 2:10-11 to 2:04-5, because if you do the same training of the top guys in your country, you'll see commensurate results. That's why even if you took the drugs out, you'd see huge quality depth in Kenyan marathoning. The shoes are part of this, of course. They take 1:30-3:00 off.
The catch here is, he STOPPED training with the "top guys" in his country to get this breakthrough.
Speed River group is not the "top guys" in Canada.
top guy 2 wrote:
YMMV wrote:
The catch here is, he STOPPED training with the "top guys" in his country to get this breakthrough.
Speed River group is not the "top guys" in Canada.
Feel free to enlighten us.
Letsrun Progression Angle wrote:
PEDs
How do you figure?
He ran the equivalent to DII in Canada - was running like 35 minute 10K in 2009. He had a similar jump in the half, was running 69:xx and jumped to 63:xx in about a year. Might just take him a bit to adjust to the new distance.
Don’t worry everyone, he’s clean and here’s why:
Blue collar runner
White
Canadian
Unsponsored
Natural progression
Vapor fly shoes
High kilometerage training
Mentally wanted it more
Cranky Canuck wrote:
Jjjjkk wrote:
Faster than all Americans this year except for Korir
Judas F-ing Priest....
Canada does not have to be continually defined with regard to the US. Just stop....
What this really means is that he is faster than all Americans this year.
780xcrunner wrote: ...
He ran the equivalent to DII in Canada - was running like 35 minute 10K in 2009. He had a similar jump in the half, was running 69:xx and jumped to 63:xx in about a year. Might just take him a bit to adjust to the new distance.
Actually, he ran the equivalent to JUCO in Canada as far as the calibre of running is concerned. And yes, he wasn't fast - not even close to being the best guy on his team. And his team was not a world beater either.
http://ccaa.ca/sports/xc/history/2011XC.pdfAbove is a link to results of the 2011 CCAA XC Champs - I count Trevor in the 80s in a field of 100+ - 30:09 for 8 km on a very flat course.
Trevor is a guy who decided to go all in and get good. He's that one in a million guy who says he willing to do what it takes to get to the Olympics, and then actually does it. What you are seeing here is the result of years of hard work and self belief.
As far as doping, I've known Trevor for 10 years and nothing I've observed would lead me to believe that he is doping - I'd be shocked if find that he was doping.
Sometimes in sports, strange and wonderful things happpen.
Cranky Real American wrote:
Cranky Canuck wrote:
Judas F-ing Priest....
Canada does not have to be continually defined with regard to the US. Just stop....
What this really means is that he is faster than all Americans this year.
Other than the three Americans that ran faster.
Cranky Real American wrote:
Cranky Canuck wrote:
Judas F-ing Priest....
Canada does not have to be continually defined with regard to the US. Just stop....
What this really means is that he is faster than all Americans this year.
This is a Canadian thing. It is tiring and annoying - constantly asking ourselves, "How are we vs The US?"
The answer is - very similar and nothing alike. It depends where you look, who you ask, time of day etc.
This is rooted in history - Canada decided to *not* leave the British Empire. 90 years later, they were granted independence. This conversation 1867 came about in part due to the US Civil War, when Canada asked itself, "We need to think aboot what we want to be". From then, the development of Canada has occurred in the shadow of the US, which has served as a foil for the internal Canadian dialogue aboot national identity. This can be tedious at times, and manifests itself in continual comparisons to the US, either, "We should try to be nothing like that place!" or, "Why can't we be more like that place!" (yes, this is a sentiment in Canada). Both are somewhat limiting, and hence annoying. Comparing marathon times is a very simplistic example of this tendency.
Over and oot.
Are you sure? wrote:
Letsrun Progression Angle wrote:
PEDs
How do you figure?
Just laying bare the original intent of this thread. You knew that, right?
The BI$$ wrote:
Sometimes in sports, strange and wonderful things happpen.
You were making a fairly good case until that last line.
Now I'm really suspicious.