14:47 for a 14 year old

Tinman wrote:

beware of doofuses wrote:

+1 . That duffer a few posts ago is not worthy of your free training input Please know that for every doofus like him there are likely 10 times the number who value your contributions greatly. And yes, I know from 1st hand experience that Tinman's approach works wonders with national class HS runners.

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Jealousy and selfishness are not admirable characteristics of humans!

Your Arrogance is not appealing in humans!

Your quote is true, but having met several of your athletes throughout the country they tend to flaunt their success and are often super arrogant and cocky. This often comes at the expense of teammates that may not be coached by you. You would be well served reminding those you coach that a little humility goes a long way in acquiring a good reputation. Not all have the benefit of paying for your coaching services, but could really benefit from your Tinman coached athletes practicing better team behavior, and consequently improving on your reputation as a coach by mere association. Thank you for sharing your insights and always being open about your training philosophy. Please just reign in the bad apples. I realize that some of your athletes are just teens still figuring out their way in the world, but you have a responsibility as a coach to reinforce positive interactions with others. Otherwise, keep up the good work.

Nice, never heard that before. What kind of a structure would the fartlek or interval workout at roughly 3k effort be, could it be a 2mile threshold (as per the calculator) and perhaps a 97% under-distance? And do you prescribe Aidan a tempo on these days that he does not have a fartlek or interval workout at roughly 3k effort / out of season?

Yes. Tinman. Please make sure your athletes don't make my son feel bad about himself for not being as good as your kids you coach, his feelings are hurt... OH BROTHER! Give me a BREAK!

My teams have been following a general Tinman Training principal for the last 5-6 seasons. This change took us from a very mediocre team to a consistent strength in our area. Injuries have been almost non-existent.

Tinman has put TON's of FREE information onto the internet over the last 20 years. You just have to do some digging and research, but you can find almost every answer you have about his training in a forum or article somewhere. He also knows his time and knowledge is valuable and charges for his coaching. It is proven that having someone pay for their program, they will be more inclined to follow it.

He only has so much time to deal with everything on his plate. He is a busy man.

Now this rings a bell...

"The 5K pace is golden. It eradicates the need for big mileage” – Peter Coe

Could the fartlek or interval workout at roughly 3k effort be a simulation workout followed by a threshold or tempo? What kind of volume or structure would this type of session be for Aidan and what would he do out of season when he does not have to do these fartlek or interval workout at roughly 3k effort? Would he do a regular threshold? What kind of structure would that kind of session have?

Thanks, runnerrunner100

This is the same Coe who, after his father passed, let out in a discussion that "Of course we ran 100-mile weeks, we all did".

Seb and his dad set back British (and American) athletics 30 years by publishing their bullsh*t low-miles propaganda as a textbook on training, which promoted 35-40 miles/week as sufficient for world class performance. When coaches and young people finally got back to realistic mileage around 2000, American and now British and European MD/distance running had an explosive resurgence.

Tinman wrote:

Dr. Vigil introduces me to people as a “brilliant sports scientist,” so I think he would argue that I probably know more about scientific nuances than most people.

Mileage is a poor indicator of training stress without identifying relative training intensity. For example, Grant Fischer was “only running 50 miles per week” as a senior in high school. His slow days were 6:00 pace or faster, while Drew Hunter typically ran in the 60-70 per week as a senior. His slow days were run at 7:15 per mile. Grant ran more hard workouts than Drew too. So, who was training harder? If you assume that mileage is the main indicator of stress then you would say Drew was training harder, and you would be wrong. Their training was about the same total stress for any measured timeframe.

As an aside what is the protocol for you to take on the coaching of a talented young runner. How does that work?

Tinman--thanks for the posts: always edifying.

Would love to know myself. I would go to the extreme to be coached by Tinman. Instead, I have to search through the internet for hours on end to find a recipe. Lol.

runnerrunner100 wrote:

Would love to know myself. I would go to the extreme to be coached by Tinman. Instead, I have to search through the internet for hours on end to find a recipe. Lol.

High school athletes can go to the camp where he coaches.

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This was the best of threads, the worst of threads...

Started with above average snark level. Then got gritty training.

My favorite was the poster who tried correcting Tinman on Tinman's training program. Classic.

Montesquieu wrote:

Tinman--thanks for the posts: always edifying.

It is rather odd that this Mr Tinman should coach all the best high school runners across the country. Must be hard to get them to achieve such fast times when dealing with a random sampling of talent levels

Youth.in.Revolt wrote:

This was the best of threads, the worst of threads...

Started with above average snark level. Then got gritty training.

My favorite was the poster who tried correcting Tinman on Tinman's training program. Classic.

But he never responded, so I assume I was right/he had no arguments. Or he is too busy to reply, keep in mind he is in Boulder now and got a LOT of things on his hands (coaching his elite athletes, writing training for his paying customers, not sure if he is still working on his PhD but that would also be something, etc..)

I'm from Europe, where they train kids to run race pace 400s 3 times a week during track and race pace 1000s 3 times a week during XC. Frustrates me because I cannot currently reach my potential under that type of training. My parents say I would only be able to train outside if I actually got a program of Tinman. Pray that he gives me that one that he gives out each year to give back to the sport.

It was on a track, not sure it's short lol

Went there last year, totally worth it

LUCKY

Tinman - is there a point where training being more focused on Lactate Threshold becomes more important than training at CV? The reason I ask is I have seen some workout from your Tinman Elite team and it involves Threshold miles and CV, but also the ingebrigtsen family seems to get by on just Threshold intervals (and speed, hills, etc). Is there a level (sub 14 5k?) Where training more so around LT is better for the athlete?

Thanks!