Donavan MF Brazier ends America's 47 yr gold medal drought, Wins with 1:42.34 AR!!

rojo wrote:

zxcvzxvc wrote:

Shame his coach was banned for four years today for doping his athletes.

How did you ever buy your way through Harvard?

You do understand that Pete gets basic training guidelines and workouts from AS?

The Oregon workouts etc., come from someplace.

Brazier is coached by Pete Julian.

Fastest splash page ever?

https://www.letsrun.com/splash-page/brazier-wins-800-gold-2019-doha-14234/

Learnin' wrote:

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

Yeah, USADA should have waited until after WCs to break the news. This was unfair to Murphy, Hassan, and Kejelcha.

The arbitrators, like most Americans, likely had no idea the world championships were even going on.

If someone doesn't know the world championships are going on they won't know (or care) who Salazar is anyway.

We need to make U.S.A. an 800m friendly country. We need to make U.S. high school cross country friendly to 400m athletes. High mileage XC is not a good fit for some 400m athletes. College 400m/800m athletes who were 400m specialists in high school are not a good fit for college XC currently. We need to shorten high school XC to 3000m and shorten college XC to 5000m. Wasn't there a XC discussion at Texas A&M that forced Brazier's hand and influenced his decision to turn pro as early as he did? I know Brazier did not race XC his freshman school year at Texas A&M. There are so many sub-55 400m 14 year olds in U.S. We have to bring them along properly. Some go on to be sub-47 by age 22. If we can make high school XC more friendly for these potential elite 800m athletes; if we can make college XC more friendly for these potential elite 800m athletes, there is no reason why U.S. cannot have two or three men in W.C. & Olympic finals as a normal occurrence.

rojo wrote:

bpbungis wrote:

8 Clayton MURPHY USA 1:47.84

1st post-ban NOP athlete absolutely lays a goose egg. Coincidence?

probably not. im sure it was in his head. definitely a load of bs for this ban to become public the night before his final.

oblivious wrote:

Learnin' wrote:

The arbitrators, like most Americans, likely had no idea the world championships were even going on.

If someone doesn't know the world championships are going on they won't know (or care) who Salazar is anyway.

My point was the decision came out yesterday and the people who decision just issued it because they were done. They had no idea of the world champs was going on or if it would be the right time to issue the decision. So all the people talking about usada should've waited until after world champs are mistaken

Pretty cool as I had to work from home to get some estimates on some house work - managed to watch the race while listening to a teleconference on the phone. I thought he might really implode in that last 200, but he held on FTW.

Doped to the grillz, very little to celebrate.

AP5000 wrote:

I thought black pages were only for WRs?

Are you kidding me?

They always give black pages when an American distance runner does something good.

When was the last time an American distance runner set a world record?

Jim Ryun?

Mma wrote:

ncrecuvuer wrote:

That's his best strategy, he doesn't have the kick of those other guys. Let it go out in 54-55, he might have gotten last. 5th >> last.

Brazier finished in 13.93.

No one is finishing fast here, and IMO the idea of a ‘kick’ is nonsense- just who slows the least.

What was Simmonds last 200 in 2012? 26.2 or so?

Saladbar is not his coach.

Dril wrote:

rojo wrote:

1st post-ban NOP athlete absolutely lays a goose egg. Coincidence?

probably not. im sure it was in his head. definitely a load of bs for this ban to become public the night before his final.

Maybe don't choose a coach who is under doping investigation then.

oblivious wrote:

Learnin' wrote:

The arbitrators, like most Americans, likely had no idea the world championships were even going on.

If someone doesn't know the world championships are going on they won't know (or care) who Salazar is anyway.

Of course they know it's going on and Alberto's whereabouts.

make no mistake, the timing of this announcement was calculated, it could have waited until after the championships or tilde not for one of his athletes would be competing.

exactly zero of his athletes or his team's athletes have ever tested positive, while being the most scrutinized untested team in the world.

it is highly likely that a piece of the timing of this announcement was calculated to punish Alberto for defending himself and for his personality.

He has the horribly cantankerous personality, my reputation that has followed him since his college days.

All too often he is a gruff, rude, boorish a**hole.

however if you have the chance to spend any time with him when he's not in a public environment etc., He's also a very kind, caring, humorous, Christian individual. Ironic perhaps, but people are generally not as black-and-white as they are often perceived in the media or the public eye.

He is a super competitive, excellence distributing human being, and Coach, you could not have a more supportive advocate in your corner ever.

as reports as part of this led to his mistakes, however there is no accusation evidence that he gave actual performance-enhancing drugs to his athletes, something that most likely just flat-out did not happen.

if you take the entire history and career of his statements around his own athletic health and athletic health of others, you can see that his focus has been about the health of an athlete not about using performance-enhancing medications for his athletes.

As it concerns thyroid health, even by Steve Magness' own passionate comments there is a wide spectrum of expert medical opinions on the when one has hypothyroidism.

Alberto clearly believed that his nautical expert in that area, perhaps influenced by his own ruining his immune system and athletic health, cost him to be overly cautious and concerned in this area and willing to believe a doctor whose opinion on something phosphate by other medical "experts" in an area of medicine that does not that present have unified opinion - a Steve Magness so clearly stated back in the day.

well these are the days of celebration for simple-minded folk who are easy to hate others that they do not understand, and gladly will believe the worst and based on rumors, smears, decades of innuendo, and personal analyst or worse....

... Do not be surprised if Alberto Salazar is not ultimately victorious in this fight when he takes this to the CAS.

The real world is not as simple as wingnut message boards, or USADA for that matter.

To wit, there is nothing new in this report, everything in the report has been known for years and years and years so you have to ask yourself if these so-called violations were so horrible, why then did usada not add sugar to protect the health of the athletes and the integrity of the sport???!!!

Indeed, there is a taint of this announcement and penalty that reeks of punishing the coach for fighting these accusations and having a vigorous defense call as well as a bad personality...

AP5000 wrote:

I thought black pages were only for WRs?

No. There was one for Ritz's AR. I think Simpson got one too.

Stating the obvious wrote:

guy who assumes a lot wrote:

Rudisha is an absolutely wonderful athlete, but it really seems like he's done as a world-beater.

Can we just enjoy this remarkable accomplishment for a few moments?

And I think he will give a healthy Rudisha a run for the money now, that's clear.

What isn't clear is if Rudisha can get back into it with all his issues. I hope he can of course but it looks doubtful at this point.

Lol Rudisha is irrelevant at this point. I think that’s pretty clear. Hasn’t done anything relevant for the past few years and will be 31 next year. Probably won’t even make the Kenyan Olympic team, let alone the final at the Kenyan Olympic trials. Brazier is king.

Roooso wrote:

Saladbar is not his coach.

All the NOP system is dirty, dont'be naive.

50 mid or 51 low would have been reasonable.

Running 49 flat while pacing a guy who has a better pr by a full second, has a fierce kick and can also thrive in a fast paced race is an absurd strategy.

Similar to Mcbride when Donavan ran the ncaa record, Wesley today was the perfect pacemaker.

There were 4 guys with sub 1 43 there, leading with such a fast pace is a terrible decision no matter how you put it.

Why do you assume Brazier is coached by Salazar versus Julian? Just because Murphy is?

Multiple articles and interviews state that Brazier is coached by Julian. Also, look at Engels' post today detailing Julian's accomplishments in coaching BRAZIER. He does not list anything affiliated with Murphy. Salazar had that article discussing how amazing of a human being he though Murphy was, and how it's great that he doesn't use profanity.

zxcvzxvc wrote:

Shame his coach was banned for four years today for doping his athletes.

Pete Julian is Don's coach.

Interesting thoughts. I like the idea of shortening XC, there needs to be more races anyways, and more competitive ones for that matter. There's a reason high school XC is more fun to follow than NCAA. But I think inherently the 800m is a bit of a unicorn event in terms of real talent. Those 14 year olds that run sub 55 so rarely have the capability to ever run an actually elite mile. It's such a specific mix of disparate abilities to be a world class sub 1:45 800m runner. You have to be able to go sub 45 and sub 4. Brazier is obviously a once in 20-30 years talent, even more rare than a 3:55 high school miler. And to your point, I think the US is already a 800m country. Symmonds, Murphy, Berian, Brazier have all taken global medals in the last 6 years.