That's the power of EPO wrote:
clean Norwegians wrote:
387 times a Kenyan has bettered 3:33, 40 times a Brit, 14 times a Norwegian (an Ingebrigtsen, to be clear).
956 times it was done at all.
That's the power of EPO, baby!
Did any Kenyans do it prior to the Italian invasion? If I recall correctly Filbert Bayi was the only East African to do so.
Subway Surfers wrote:
That's the power of EPO wrote:
That's the power of EPO, baby!
Did any Kenyans do it prior to the Italian invasion? If I recall correctly Filbert Bayi was the only East African to do so.
Not exactly sub-3:33 1500m but Kipchoge Keino's 3:34.xx 1500m, 1968 Olympics 1500m final at app. 7500ft. elevation was kick ass! Wilson Waigwa. a sub-3:51 one mile runner. Mike Boit, a sub-3:50 one mile runner. Peter Rono was talented but he was physically and psychologically burnt out.
Unlike a lot of other prodigies of distance running, Jakob is actually not doing a lot "hard training". Sure, he runs around 100 miles per week, but does rarely any training with high lactate during winter or summer for that matter. The emphasis is on doing double threshold twice a week, short hill intervals and some strength training. Oh, and of course doing easy runs in 3.40 per km.
His training is equally suited for 5k (maybe even 10k) as it is for 1500 and with lots of "safe training", Jakob is in for a great future imo. The news of Jakob`s peak/burnout is greatly exaggerated...
I think that person meant East Africa not North Africa. Kenya and Ethiopia are in East Africa. Make sure you remember this because if you ever want to go to Iten you will need to get on a plane to Nairobi and not Rabat.
Bc. wrote:
Recently, Jakob hasn't been making huge jumps in his times like has in past years. He's only improved a second or so in the past year in the 1500/mile and keeps getting about the same times in races. I think he's still going to get faster, but he could potentially peak at 19/20 like Jim Ryun did.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on letsrun. How many big jumps can someone really make when they are at 3:30? He has already improved drastically this season . This isn't high school; people don't PR in every race they do.
olyrun wrote:
I think that person meant East Africa not North Africa. Kenya and Ethiopia are in East Africa. Make sure you remember this because if you ever want to go to Iten you will need to get on a plane to Nairobi and not Rabat.
Algeria and Morocco are notorious for "supplements".
https://www.instagram.com/p/BdXVqo8BtvR/Kelaux wrote:
of course doing easy runs in 3.40 per km.
Jakob vs Wanders, 10,000m track race, who you got? I'd say Jakob in a championship style one and Wanders in a fast paced one, but only just.
not exactly but ... wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Did any Kenyans do it prior to the Italian invasion? If I recall correctly Filbert Bayi was the only East African to do so.
Not exactly sub-3:33 1500m but Kipchoge Keino's 3:34.xx 1500m, 1968 Olympics 1500m final at app. 7500ft. elevation was kick ass! Wilson Waigwa. a sub-3:51 one mile runner. Mike Boit, a sub-3:50 one mile runner. Peter Rono was talented but he was physically and psychologically burnt out.
Kip Keino was a 4:23 miler until 'John Velzain' - I think a British/Dutch sports scientist - single-handedly turned him and a clutch of other Kenyans into stars (after declaring Kenyans were 'natural born runners' - just like Jos 'iron rich teff' Hermens).
Anyone who thinks Kip Keino was clean must think El G, Ramzi, and Kiprop could share the same bathroom and not leave a trace of EPO in the water.
Diagnosed with a gall bladder infection days before the 1500m in Mexico, he was advised not to run. Missed the coach to the stadium and ran all the way there, just making the starting line in time, and then runs 3:34 at altitude.
Charlie Francis claims that Kenya was one of several teams at Mexico found to be entirely roided. Keino had already been a star in his country and favorite of the corrupt president for years. Those who say he couldn't have been blood doping are buffoons. He just got off (Kenyan government fixed it) with embezzling millions of dollars from young athletes he was supposedly preparing for for the 2016 olympics.
Kipchoge Keino, a Nandis tribesman with handsome dimples and a mustache, beat Ron Clarke six out of seven races in international meets. He broke world records at 3,000 meters and 5,000 meters. He pushed America's Jim Ryun to a record 1,500 meters in Los Angeles. Keino was a sensation. Drum magazine named him African of the Year. Queen Elizabeth mentioned him in her Christmas message to the Commonwealth. The city of Mombasa unveiled Kipchoge Keino Avenue. The only faults that could be found with him were that he sulked after defeats and the e in his name came before the i. In Kenya he began to appear at receptions with Jomo Kenyatta himself. Said Keino of those meetings: "The president told me, 'When you go off to other places to run, and you win, you win for yourself—but you are Kipchoge of Kenya!' " In a series of flash promotions, Policeman Keino rose from the rank of corporal (1964) to that of chief inspector and moved into a two-bedroom house of quarried stone with a red tile roof and flowers all around.
Henry Rono was probably the most talented Kenyan runner in history, and his Mile pb was 3:59.
Charlie Francis was a cheater and a liar but you’ll believe him because he said what you want to hear.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BdXVqo8BtvR/
Got to love Filips skaterhat from the -60ties!
here is another example:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/__gDS6Tx5pyY/TV92mO9cKxI/AAAAAAAAJYE/dIRkK8yfd6I/s800/50-2.jpgCoevett wrote:
not exactly but ... wrote:
Not exactly sub-3:33 1500m but Kipchoge Keino's 3:34.xx 1500m, 1968 Olympics 1500m final at app. 7500ft. elevation was kick ass! Wilson Waigwa. a sub-3:51 one mile runner. Mike Boit, a sub-3:50 one mile runner. Peter Rono was talented but he was physically and psychologically burnt out.
Kip Keino was a 4:23 miler until 'John Velzain' - I think a British/Dutch sports scientist - single-handedly turned him and a clutch of other Kenyans into stars (after declaring Kenyans were 'natural born runners' - just like Jos 'iron rich teff' Hermens).
Anyone who thinks Kip Keino was clean must think El G, Ramzi, and Kiprop could share the same bathroom and not leave a trace of EPO in the water.
Diagnosed with a gall bladder infection days before the 1500m in Mexico, he was advised not to run. Missed the coach to the stadium and ran all the way there, just making the starting line in time, and then runs 3:34 at altitude.
Charlie Francis claims that Kenya was one of several teams at Mexico found to be entirely roided. Keino had already been a star in his country and favorite of the corrupt president for years. Those who say he couldn't have been blood doping are buffoons. He just got off (Kenyan government fixed it) with embezzling millions of dollars from young athletes he was supposedly preparing for for the 2016 olympics.
https://www.si.com/vault/1968/09/30/610758/lost-laughterhttps://www.michezoafrika.com/athletics/kenyan-coach-john-velzain-awarded-at-the-world-athletics-gala/3649.aspxKipchoge Keino, a Nandis tribesman with handsome dimples and a mustache, beat Ron Clarke six out of seven races in international meets. He broke world records at 3,000 meters and 5,000 meters. He pushed America's Jim Ryun to a record 1,500 meters in Los Angeles. Keino was a sensation. Drum magazine named him African of the Year. Queen Elizabeth mentioned him in her Christmas message to the Commonwealth. The city of Mombasa unveiled Kipchoge Keino Avenue. The only faults that could be found with him were that he sulked after defeats and the e in his name came before the i. In Kenya he began to appear at receptions with Jomo Kenyatta himself. Said Keino of those meetings: "The president told me, 'When you go off to other places to run, and you win, you win for yourself—but you are Kipchoge of Kenya!' " In a series of flash promotions, Policeman Keino rose from the rank of corporal (1964) to that of chief inspector and moved into a two-bedroom house of quarried stone with a red tile roof and flowers all around.
Henry Rono was probably the most talented Kenyan runner in history, and his Mile pb was 3:59.
I've never believed Keino's performance at Mexico. Way faster at altitude than he ever was at sea-level. And a sick man. Healthy, he conceivably might have broken Ryun's world record set at sea-level. This, when other runners were virtually dying out there. If there is a Kenyan rot it pretty much starts there.
Coevett wrote:
not exactly but ... wrote:
Not exactly sub-3:33 1500m but Kipchoge Keino's 3:34.xx 1500m, 1968 Olympics 1500m final at app. 7500ft. elevation was kick ass! Wilson Waigwa. a sub-3:51 one mile runner. Mike Boit, a sub-3:50 one mile runner. Peter Rono was talented but he was physically and psychologically burnt out.
Kip Keino was a 4:23 miler until 'John Velzain' - I think a British/Dutch sports scientist - single-handedly turned him and a clutch of other Kenyans into stars (after declaring Kenyans were 'natural born runners' - just like Jos 'iron rich teff' Hermens).
Anyone who thinks Kip Keino was clean must think El G, Ramzi, and Kiprop could share the same bathroom and not leave a trace of EPO in the water.
Diagnosed with a gall bladder infection days before the 1500m in Mexico, he was advised not to run. Missed the coach to the stadium and ran all the way there, just making the starting line in time, and then runs 3:34 at altitude.
Charlie Francis claims that Kenya was one of several teams at Mexico found to be entirely roided. Keino had already been a star in his country and favorite of the corrupt president for years. Those who say he couldn't have been blood doping are buffoons. He just got off (Kenyan government fixed it) with embezzling millions of dollars from young athletes he was supposedly preparing for for the 2016 olympics.
https://www.si.com/vault/1968/09/30/610758/lost-laughterhttps://www.michezoafrika.com/athletics/kenyan-coach-john-velzain-awarded-at-the-world-athletics-gala/3649.aspxKipchoge Keino, a Nandis tribesman with handsome dimples and a mustache, beat Ron Clarke six out of seven races in international meets. He broke world records at 3,000 meters and 5,000 meters. He pushed America's Jim Ryun to a record 1,500 meters in Los Angeles. Keino was a sensation. Drum magazine named him African of the Year. Queen Elizabeth mentioned him in her Christmas message to the Commonwealth. The city of Mombasa unveiled Kipchoge Keino Avenue. The only faults that could be found with him were that he sulked after defeats and the e in his name came before the i. In Kenya he began to appear at receptions with Jomo Kenyatta himself. Said Keino of those meetings: "The president told me, 'When you go off to other places to run, and you win, you win for yourself—but you are Kipchoge of Kenya!' " In a series of flash promotions, Policeman Keino rose from the rank of corporal (1964) to that of chief inspector and moved into a two-bedroom house of quarried stone with a red tile roof and flowers all around.
Henry Rono was probably the most talented Kenyan runner in history, and his Mile pb was 3:59.
So much ignorance and so many lies!
El k is back under starfish?
Just how long did you expect hm to continue making huge jumps? I believe Ryun was overtrained in his youth, that said, he knocked 2.5 seconds off the 1500-mile records, wishful thinking there was more there. You are making the assumption that athletes who mature early are then going to follow the same progression as those who mature later.
In 3-4 years it will be Barega's 5000m WR. After taking 15 seconds off his 5k, he still has over 15 seconds to get to Barega's best set last year when both were 18.
It is unlikely that Jakob will peak soon.
He will possibly peak in his mid twenties or even later as almost all former and current toprunners / WR holders in the middle and long distances in the last more than 50 years. Jim Ryun is a rare exception.
If you train wisely as the Ingebrigtsen brothers seem to do you will improve your aerobic capacity year after year. And when you are as young as Jakob is you will also benefit from the improved strength and speed which follow physical maturement.
Right now he seems to have potential to run 1-2 seconds faster in the 1500m but it will probably only happen if the conditions (weather, pacemaking, fast running competitors) are good in the Diamond League final in Brussel. If not it will come next year and possibly with more than 2 seconds following one more base training period.
You are not the first to postulate than a runner peaks after 10-12 years of training.
Unfortunately no facts seem to support that theory.
I think it is more in accordance with facts to say that most runners peak in their mid to late twenties following physical maturement and continuous improvement of the aerobic capacity.
If you are interested I can give you the details for many former and current top runners to support MY theory?
The shorter the distance, the last impact having lived at high altitude is going to impact your times. Kip Keino was a 4:23 miler until he started to train systematically, no runner would be sub 4 without a coach or reading about training techniques.
Keino was diagnosed with the gall bladder infection long before the ’68 Olympics but felt he could work through it. Ran most of the 10k and finished 2nd in 5k before winning the 1500m. How far and fast do you think he had to run from the housing n the Olympic village to the stadium in the Olympic village? Isn’t running what you do to warm up?
I’m not to clear on Clarke’s obsession with black faces beating him, plenty of white faces beat him, he simply was not a winner as far as championship races were concerned.
Funny how its only Kenyans trained in Kenya are doped up, those trained in the US, world record holders Kimombwa or Rono are clean. That Rono, a 10k record holder had a 3:59 mile pb makes sense to someone whoactually follows track, he rarely ran it, he didn’t train for it and unlikely he couldn’t run much faster given he had a 7;32.1 3k pr, world record at the time.
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