I personally witnessed a Division 1 ice hockey player run a 4:26 1600 as a part of fall dry land/conditioning. My collegiate XC teams was doing pre-practice meeting at the track when it went down. The second place guy was around 5:15. Most of the team was 7:00-8:00.
Later, as a coach, I had a soccer player run 1:57 for 800 in a meet on his first ever day of track and field.
Goucher Needles wrote:
I personally witnessed a Division 1 ice hockey player run a 4:26 1600 as a part of fall dry land/conditioning. My collegiate XC teams was doing pre-practice meeting at the track when it went down. The second place guy was around 5:15. Most of the team was 7:00-8:00.
Later, as a coach, I had a soccer player run 1:57 for 800 in a meet on his first ever day of track and field.
Six years ago, I did 6x800m with an N.H.L. hockey player. He did them all sub-2:30. I know he was at least a sub-4:40 one mile guy.
Six years ago ... wrote:
Goucher Needles wrote:
I personally witnessed a Division 1 ice hockey player run a 4:26 1600 as a part of fall dry land/conditioning. My collegiate XC teams was doing pre-practice meeting at the track when it went down. The second place guy was around 5:15. Most of the team was 7:00-8:00.
Later, as a coach, I had a soccer player run 1:57 for 800 in a meet on his first ever day of track and field.
Six years ago, I did 6x800m with an N.H.L. hockey player. He did them all sub-2:30. I know he was at least a sub-4:40 one mile guy.
Really? I'm sure NHLers are in great shape, but being large for a runner would be very small in the NHL.
I played hockey and we used to do lots of 200m and 400m intervals for dry land, so I guess if someone has decent endurance that would translate to the mile.
stefan hahking wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
this soccer midfielders doing it talk is nonsense. They may run around for 90 minutes, but they are going only a few dozen meters each time before they either stop, walk or jog. Imagine training for the mile with high volume reps of 50m. Wouldn't work.
Bad Wigins wrote:
if true (and I don't believe it), extreme outlier, and still much farther than a soccer player runs in any one stretch. The entire field is about 100m long, nobody's running end-to-end all that often.
There's also the fact that they don't run with the form used in an actual running race. They're using short steps, kicking at the ball, kicking at each other's legs, going sideways, backwards, speeding up, slowing down. A 4:30 mile is a consistent 13mph. Doesn't happen in soccer.
Dude you are such a troll. You're saying there is no way that midfielders, some of whom are among the best athletes in the world, could run a 4:30 mile? These guys run 7+ miles a match, and regularly run that much on the training grounds. You said it yourself that the running they are doing is much harder and more athletic than an 'actual running race', wouldn't that translate positively? They are doing hard fartleks every day... for hours.
High school soccer players can do it. I ran 4:45 as a sophomore, I definitely could have run 4:30, likely under if I had played soccer until senior year. That's a gangly 15 year old 5' nothing kid with crap high school soccer training. Given how my track career turned out I'd agree I'm an outlier, but the cases of soccer players being able to run 4:30 are everywhere. And as to the world class midfielders of the world, you'd be closer if you said all of them could do it than the case you're making.
You're underselling what it takes to run a 4:30 mile and overselling soccer players aerobic capacities and running abilities. Sure, i agree there are some high schoolers that play soccer who can run 4:30. Saying there are cases "everywhere" is a huge exaggeration. I would say the base line is more around sub 5:00. World class midfielders are a different story, but i guarantee you not all of them can do it with no track training. I don't care how good of shape they are in, running 4 consecutive 67+/- second laps will wear out anyone without a deeper running background. They'd get about mid-way through lap three and blow up.
And if there are scores and scores of soccer players that can do this, show me the data and results. Hearsay isn't credible.
Road racing is a separate sport from track, right? Any elite road racer could run 4:30 or faster on the track.
apyro wrote:
Six years ago ... wrote:
Six years ago, I did 6x800m with an N.H.L. hockey player. He did them all sub-2:30. I know he was at least a sub-4:40 one mile guy.
Really? I'm sure NHLers are in great shape, but being large for a runner would be very small in the NHL.
I played hockey and we used to do lots of 200m and 400m intervals for dry land, so I guess if someone has decent endurance that would translate to the mile.
He's a bit taller than me. Somewhat heavier than me. I was 5'11" 170lbs. at the time. Yes REALLY. It wasn't a secret workout. He was doing 400s on a Saturday. Doing them in 65 or 66. I asked him if he wanted to me the following Saturday to do 800s.
I doubt Bird ... to big wrote:
Peter_North_Ropes wrote:
Most NBA players
Allen Iverson ran 4:23 1600 in training camp one year.
Steph Curry went 4:12 in the 1500.
Larry Bird was rumored to have a 4:03 mile out of college.
Johnny Dawkins supposedly raced a 4:30 mile.
I'd say, most N.B.A. players 6'4" and smaller and 190lbs. and lighter. Under 190lbs. is more important than under 6'4". I know they listed Charles Barkely at 6'6". He's barely 6'4".
There is NO WAY Barkley could do it. He weighed a TON.
Literally less than 1% of the U.S. population can go sub 4:30. Probably less than 0.50%.
Sport climbers?? LOLZ. Using Andrew Wheating as an example LOLZ...... he's an extreme outlier.
For all of you saying this is a doable feat for SO MANY PEOPLE, provide some credible statistics that would suggest the sample size is reasonably reflective of the larger population.
Sally Vix wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
The above is nonsense. Bird especially. I went out to track on first day from basketball and ran a 4:32 with no prior workouts except basketball.
And that was in flats and just running a time trial. I probably could have run a 4:23 with competition and spikes.
So you, a nobody, could run a 4:23 off of only basketball, in HS, and you think elite players in their prime could do 4:1x?
Dummy.
If they have no previous running/racing experience then the answer is no.
Almost any top level Ultimate player.
Boxers - especially the lighter ones.
Ever heard of Benson Masya?
apyro wrote:
Six years ago ... wrote:
Six years ago, I did 6x800m with an N.H.L. hockey player. He did them all sub-2:30. I know he was at least a sub-4:40 one mile guy.
Really? I'm sure NHLers are in great shape, but being large for a runner would be very small in the NHL.
I played hockey and we used to do lots of 200m and 400m intervals for dry land, so I guess if someone has decent endurance that would translate to the mile.
Daniel and Henrik Sedin, who retired from hockey not long ago, run races around Vancouver. They are consistent low 1:20s half marathoners.
Not huge guys, though not runner skinny either? 180s?
John Payne wrote:
Name the athlete and his sport.
Pretty much every single nordic skiier can push the low 4s in the mile. They are supreme athletes and have higher vo2 max than elite marathoners.
And mtn dew drinkers:
Dale Earhardt JR
Bill Dance
Jimmy Houston
Jim Shockey
McJagger
I don't know the sport well enough to name names...but I'll bet you could find a lot of soccer players who could do it...or be damn close. I can't think of any other sport that could rival soccer in this regard. Soccer players have the speed, endurance and body type...for the most part.
I stand corrected. Top XC skiers...in addition to soccer players...are also a great choice.
some could.maybe some speed skaters,cross country skiers,triathletes,and soccer players
Bird was 6'9'' and 220. He wasn't exactly burning it up on the court. No chance he can break 5.
sowhat wrote:
Sure, i agree there are some high schoolers that play soccer who can run 4:30.
The question is can 'a' singular athlete in another sport run 4:30. You're acknowledging that a high schooler can do it but supporting the contention that world class midfielders can't?
sowhat wrote:
Saying there are cases "everywhere" is a huge exaggeration.
You stated some high school soccer players can run 4:30. Where are they and where aren't they? Are their countries that play soccer where this wouldn't be the case? In the US are all of them only in Oklahoma? Why would that be?
sowhat wrote:
World class midfielders are a different story
This is all that I was contending, as Bad Wig stated that world class midfielders running 4:30 was 'nonsense'
sowhat wrote:
And if there are scores and scores of soccer players that can do this, show me the data and results. Hearsay isn't credible.
There are soccer players who can do this. You agreed with that twice in your post. I technically did this myself as I played club soccer through senior year and ran well under 4:30 on the track. There are not people studying this as it doesn't matter, so no data and no results. So I can't prove it (outside of my specific story which is enough for the first question in the thread) in the same way you can't prove the opposite because again, there are no studies. So you too are using hearsay for everything you're contending. Lack of evidence for the other side is not evidence for your argument.
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