Women in America can get a full ride scholarship with a 23min 5k, discuss.

At one point I was a JUCO distance coach, and had 10 scholarships to assign (per NJCAA rules). Tuition was all I could give though. The athletic performance I could attract was no where near that of Division I level athletes...

but I never offered a woman over 21:30; and at worst I think the schools I competed against brought in a few 22:00 5k women on scholarship. Across the conference there was heavy pressure and incentive to bring in any athletes we could, but no one was offering women who could not break 23.

formerD1 wrote:

roll over, roll over wrote:

I think for a decent HS athlete, 19:00 IS a rollout of bed time.....in fact it may be THE roll out of bed time.

For example, if there was an decent athlete from another sport and someone asked me what they could run in the 5k untrained in the off season I would probably guess 19:00-19:30 as the mid point.

19:00 is pathetically bad. My first XC time-trial in HS, after maybe 10mpw in middle school with no running at all in the summer or winters, I did like 17:50, in regular running shoes.

That is pretty good for a woman. Nice work.

As was demonstrated (once again) in the recent admission scandals, minor sports are a back door way for well-off white people to build a resume and get into colleges that would otherwise ignore them. The colleges want a certain number for their women's cross country team and if they don't have that in their applications pool a 23 min 5k will fill the bill. If its a DIII school that might come with a need-based financial aid package. Here's a hot tip: if your daughter plays lacrosse at a known school around Baltimore County or Long Island, she has a decent chance of getting into Stanford if she has a 3.3 or better GPA. Make sure she visits the coach and emphasizes the fact she's not looking for financial aid.

comedyrelief wrote:...This is not a gender issue. Sure Title 9 makes it more difficult for men's Olympic sports, but men overall have more athletic scholarship opportunities...

I don't know how the numbers work when you add in the NAIA and junior colleges, or scholarships that may be available outside the USA - but looking at the NCAA only, there are in fact more scholarship opportunities for women than men.

For NCAA DI FBS schools, a school that sponsored all 27 NCAA sports would be allowed to award up to 221.3 athletic scholarships to men versus 235.5 to women.

For NCAA DI FCS schools it's 203.3 for men vs 235.5 for women.

For NCAA DII schools it's 154.9 for men vs 188.2 for women.

Now, how many athletic scholarships schools actually award, I'm not privy to those numbers. The last numbers I saw for the conference I coach in were from about 5-6 years ago and if I remember correctly the actual scholarships awarded in that conference were about 55% female that year. FWIW, 6 of the 15 schools don't have Football, which I'm sure has something to do with the 55/45 split (if all 15 schools had Football it's likely they'd be awarding more athletic scholarships to men).

While you could be right, I think the fact that more total scholarships are available for women at all NCAA levels that allow athletic scholarships would tend to make your assertion difficult to support.

lol this is a troll

Some slow girl on some not great or selective college team ran a 23 min 5k

She has an academic full ride scholarship bc she's a good student

Schools that offer scholarships to 23min women are far from the norm. Even if it's slightly easier for a woman to get an athletic scholarship, that doesn't mean it's a joke. I was a 19:xx high school girl (with a pretty short history in the sport and a lot of upside) and I couldn't even walk-on at the slower of the two major state universities in my state. I now run at a DIII school that is nowhere near national caliber. The slowest (coming back from long injuries) women on our team ran around 23:00. So sure, there are plenty of collegiate women running 23:00 and slower. At small NJCAA and DII schools that just need to fill the roster or recruit enough runners to make a scoring team, those women might even get scholarships. (But there's undoubtedly some 19:00 dudes getting scholarships at those same schools.)

Threads like this are a bit of an insult to women's running. DI is chock-full of 16:30-17:45 women on partial or no scholarships.

Troll for sure. You couldn’t even get on my high school cross country team with a time like that. I can say I got a full ride scholarship to a D1 school having a 40 min 5K time and every part of that sentence would be true. However, it was an academic scholarship.

Elvin wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

I am skeptical that the scholarship is running related.

OP never claimed that the scholarship was running related. He just stated that the person runs 23-24 min in the 5K, and that they have a full ride scholarship.

I have a friend who loves orange juice and has a full ride scholarship. Doesn't mean anyone is getting a full ride for drinking OJ. It just means that like the OP, I am capable of sticking two random facts about a person into a sentence.

I think you are underestimating the power of orange juice.

I am looking at what is awarded. Men receive 55% of scholarships awarded compared to 45% for women. This in spite of the fact that women comprise 57% of the student population compared to 43% for men.

Women continually require life to be easier for them. We should just let 40 min 5k in as well. No one follows womens sports anyways.

I heard about an NAIA male who was low 18s 5k and got full scholarship. Seems like it’s very possible

Elvin wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

I am skeptical that the scholarship is running related.

OP never claimed that the scholarship was running related. He just stated that the person runs 23-24 min in the 5K, and that they have a full ride scholarship.

I have a friend who loves orange juice and has a full ride scholarship. Doesn't mean anyone is getting a full ride for drinking OJ. It just means that like the OP, I am capable of sticking two random facts about a person into a sentence.

Well apparently I am not the only who inferred a connection.

omygoodnes wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

I am skeptical that the scholarship is running related. For one thing, how many D1 track athletes get a "full ride"? With track limited to 12.3 (I think that is right) grants-in-aid. One person getting a full ride means that everyone else on the team is cutting his/her $ cut by 1/12 (and here I am assuming the athletic dept is fully funding all 12.3). That one runner had better score a boat load of points!

Now they might have put together a package of financial aid that all adds up.

Title 9. They have to spend the money some how. There are plenty of 'rowers' who gained access to money. If you know what I mean

Rowing is a bad example. Lots of girls on the rowing roster and few are receiving any money. But as long as they are on the roster by some date, they count toward Title IX compliance. There was recently an article about it in the Omaha newspaper I think.

Liberals are ruining this country

College boiii wrote:

Honestly, most college girls can’t break 18-20 min 5k even well trained, they are just different then men when it times to distance running.

20 min 5k is in the top 1 % of all women who run a 5k.

Umm pretty much all the girls on my college's team could break 18 and our girl's program was by no means a powerhouse. Even the worst could run in the 18's. Sub 20 may be in the 1% of women, but not D1 women.

Luv2Run wrote:

Elvin wrote:

OP never claimed that the scholarship was running related. He just stated that the person runs 23-24 min in the 5K, and that they have a full ride scholarship.

I have a friend who loves orange juice and has a full ride scholarship. Doesn't mean anyone is getting a full ride for drinking OJ. It just means that like the OP, I am capable of sticking two random facts about a person into a sentence.

Well apparently I am not the only who inferred a connection.

I didn't say you were.

I'm not sure what the relevance of your response is. Could you clarify your point?

I heard that Martians landed in Washington D.C. today. That doesn't make it true. Your hearsay is absolutely false.

The same number of scholarships were awarded for both men and women and the same number of roster sports were occupied. Those are the rules. It is quite unfair to judge people by their gender. Scholarships should be awarded on merit which means 95% would go to men. I imagine if women were far superior in math to men but colleges were mandated to give equal math scholarships to both genders. So a man with a 25 on the ACT in math would get a scholarship for math but a woman with a 34 in math would not be eligible. That is what we are doing with athletic scholarships.

Full ride scholarship wrote:

The girl ran 53 in the 400 in HS.

O.P. it was misleading to get everyone on here excited and upset about a 23:xx 5K high school XC girl. You let all these (mostly) boys or men get upset for 1 3/4 pages.

It did not even cross anyone's mind that elite 400m runners do participate in hs XC on occasion. I am surprised former D1 guy did not even ask if the person in question was an elite 400m specialist. Former D1 guy was arguing with a male 50.xx 400m high schooler two days ago with a 17:xx or 18:xx 5K. While former d1 guy was arguing with a 50.xx 400m lad on Sunday, former d1 guy told O.P. two days ago to quit. That day, O.P. told former d1 guy that he is a 50.xx 400m guy. One would think former d1 guy and others on here would know elite 400m runners do run XC sometimes. Sometimes, 800m runners are awful at XC. I had a couple of sub-2:05 hs XC and T&F teammates would could not break 18:30 for 5K XC.

After O.P. stated the girl was a 53.xx hs 400m runner, why are posters still arguing? I believe O.P. is referring to Sydney McLaughlin. McLaughlin raced hs XC in 9th & 10th grade, I believe.