Jakob v. Max over 800m...who ya got?

Coevett wrote:

Max ran a 3:47 on his 16th birthday and hasn't ran the event since I don't think.

Hm, really that long? Since you don't think? That's something like 48 years. This would mean that Max hasn't run 1500m at all. Or what's your point?

Coevett wrote:

I see Max dominating the 800m for the next decade, and Jakob doing the same over 5000.

You SEE them dominating for the next decade? In some wet dream?

It's not very bold to predict that none of these two will ever dominate anything.

When you have heard about Burgin's great result, you must have been very close to some heart attack.

I see Kerr dominating the 1500 for the next 10 years.

Burgin ran 1:49.4 in 2017, while Jakob ran a shade faster the same year, with Burgin 1 1/2 years younger. Since then Burgin has improved two seconds per year, while Jakob hasn't run it. Burgin is 17 and has a 3:47 1500m pr, while Jakob ran 3:31 at about 17 years and 10 months.

Coevett wrote:

Direct comparison by age are difficult for the two because Max's birthday is at the start of the season (May 1st) and Jakob's is at the end (19th September). But bearing that in mind, and that Max and his coach are taking a longer term view of the 1500, it seems their respective 1500 bests at around 14/15 aren't so far apart. Jakob ran a 3:48 at 14 and 10 months, and a 3:42 at 15 and 9 months. Max ran a 3:47 on his 16th birthday and hasn't ran the event since I don't think.

I see Max dominating the 800m for the next decade, and Jakob doing the same over 5000. Both will contest the 1500m, perhaps as early as Tokyo next year, with eventually Ethan Hussey challenging both over all three distances. :D

Interestingly, Ethan Hussey now has similar times to Jakob at the same age from 800 to 5000, yet nobody is talking about him.

you should clarify that wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Max ran a 3:47 on his 16th birthday and hasn't ran the event since I don't think.

Hm, really that long? Since you don't think? That's something like 48 years. This would mean that Max hasn't run 1500m at all. Or what's your point?

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zxvcvxzc wrote:

Burgin is 17 and has a 3:47 1500m pr, while Jakob ran 3:31 at about 17 years and 10 months.

Yes, but surely you can see that Burgin not having ran the event for over a year, and only once in two years, and his pb coming on his first race last season on his 16th birthday, and Jakob's pb coming at Monaco at nearly 2 years older, does count a little?

hopefully you are not serious wrote:

Coevett wrote:

I see Max dominating the 800m for the next decade, and Jakob doing the same over 5000.

You SEE them dominating for the next decade? In some wet dream?

It's not very bold to predict that none of these two will ever dominate anything.

When you have heard about Burgin's great result, you must have been very close to some heart attack.

I see Kerr dominating the 1500 for the next 10 years.

I don't know why some of you farts come on to this board if you don't get excited at some history making performance like Burgin's at the weekend.

Yes, I was getting a bit carried away in my predictions, but who knows? I'm sure in the early summer of 77 there were one or two people predicting that Coe and Ovett were going to dominate for the next few years.

Jakob, Max, and Ethan Hussey have already dominated their age groups. Jakob won double European Seniors gold last season at 17, and that's pretty dominant.

I don't think Kerr will dominate, but there's every chance him, Thomas Staines, and Kyle Langford will be in the hunt for a Gold in Tokyo or even in Doha and for many championships afterwards.

And it's crazy a few people here are almost writing Jakob off because of really one race where he didn't quite live up to expectations. Last year at Bislett he ran slightly below what many hoped and went on to run 3:31 and win a historic double gold at the European Championships.

He ran superbly in Stockholm after missing a few days with illness, as well as having exams to contend with. Perhaps the effort caught up with him in Oslo, as well as maybe still getting the hang of dealing with the attention and expectation he gets in his home meet. I'm still confident he will run sub 3:30 in Monaco this season and win at least a silver in Doha and at least one Gold in Tokyo. 18 year olds are allowed the occasional underwhelming performance.

Bro why have you been awake the last couple of hours.

Here are the pbs at 15 of Jakob, Max, and Ethan Hussey. Jakob has a bit of an advantage in that his birthday is at the end of the season whereas Max and Ethan's falls at the start of the season - so I've put their early season 16 year old pbs in brackets.

Jakob Max Ethan

800 1:52 1:49 (1:47) 1:52 (1:50)

1500 3:48 3:53 (3:47) 3:50 (3:46)

5000 14:38 - 14:29 (Road)

The only point I'm making here is that I've always thought that Max was a Jakobesque talent, and so I think is Ethan Hussey (although obviously he has a lot more to prove that he can continue his progression).

coedependent wrote:

Bro why have you been awake the last couple of hours.

It was 37 degrees here, woke up at 4am and now I'm going out to do my interval workout while it's still cool.

37C = 98F

Coevett wrote:

you should clarify that wrote:

Hm, really that long? Since you don't think? That's something like 48 years. This would mean that Max hasn't run 1500m at all. Or what's your point?

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^this post would’ve been at 3:09am in the UK^

coedependent wrote:

Coevett wrote:

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^this post would’ve been at 3:09am in the UK^

In all seriousness, it’s not too surprising that someone who posts with the content and frequency he does would exhibit some very strange behavior, like staying up all night to obsessively post on letsrun. Unfortunately, the guy clearly has issues.

Qwertu wrote:

coedependent wrote:

^this post would’ve been at 3:09am in the UK^

In all seriousness, it’s not too surprising that someone who posts with the content and frequency he does would exhibit some very strange behavior, like staying up all night to obsessively post on letsrun. Unfortunately, the guy clearly has issues.

And you're monitoring him. What are your issues?

What kind of simpleton conflates a basic knowledge of time zones with monitoring an individual?

Coevett wrote:

Lesffy wrote:

You talk about the white runners as if they would not even take cold medicine they are so CLEAN and then you make excuses for them. You are a white supremacist.

Yes, I'm sorry Lefty. Jakob lost to the black runner Lewandowski fair and square. Marcin has done so much to promote diversity in his adopted country of Poland, and is probably the first black sportsman from Poland to become a national celebrity. Although he doesn't forget his Kenyan roots (and the genetic reason for his success), he is always proud to carry both the Polish and Kenyan flags when putting white upstarts such as Jakob in their place.

+1.

But there is this:

The fact that some of you think J.I can legitimately run 1.45 or under renders this thread a bit of a laugh. When has Ingebritsen closed a 1500 in 1.48? You're talking f-ing nonsense. If he ran close to 1.47.0 I would be hugely impressed. Max Burgin is currently running 1.45/1.46 races off the front with limited competition - he would DESTROY Ingebritsen over 800m in the same way Ingebritsen would destroy him over a mile.

coedependent wrote:

What kind of simpleton conflates a basic knowledge of time zones with monitoring an individual?

Because you're complaining about me obsessively posting here yet you constantly make an abusive comment in reply to me within minutes. Only a stalker would be going to the extent of thinking about what time-zone I'm in and whether I'm getting enough sleep. And actually, you got it wrong - I'm not in the UK, I'm in Central Europe which is an hour ahead.

I spend no more time on this site than dozens of other regular posters. Recently a bit more because it's been an exciting start to the season for European track fans. This is a running forum and I am an athletics fan...derrr.

Coevett wrote:

Here are the pbs at 15 of Jakob, Max, and Ethan Hussey. Jakob has a bit of an advantage in that his birthday is at the end of the season whereas Max and Ethan's falls at the start of the season - so I've put their early season 16 year old pbs in brackets.

Jakob Max Ethan

800 1:52 1:49 (1:47) 1:52 (1:50)

1500 3:48 3:53 (3:47) 3:50 (3:46)

5000 14:38 - 14:29 (Road)

The only point I'm making here is that I've always thought that Max was a Jakobesque talent, and so I think is Ethan Hussey (although obviously he has a lot more to prove that he can continue his progression).

All of the times are impressive grown male times not 15. Heck. Did Ethan or Jacok run 14:29 on the road? Check Nick Willis's Twitter account from around the Rio Olympics, he was mesmerized by Jakob's 1500m times.