Jenny Simpson breaks 4:00, finishes just SEVENTH in Rabat DL. 1st American to go sub-4 10 times.

honest question wrote:

Same song, third verse wrote:

I sincerely hope you're trolling; but if you're actually being serious, then count yourself complicit in doping. You are part of the problem.

So righteous one, please tell us how fast a woman can run without doping? Give us your imaginary figure beyond which no real actual undoped woman can run a 1500m race.

"Righteous"? Seriously? You're now giving me $hit because I don't sing the praises of a woman who broke a doped Chinese record and whose coach was found with preloaded epo syringes and steroids? Your silly questions of limits have nothing to do with those facts, which is 1000% what I am referring to. Heaping compliments and maintaining blind adulation on Dibaba is off-putting; and as stated, complicit to the cancer of drugs in athletics.

Moroccan Magic wrote:

Same song, third verse wrote:

Uh-huh. Remember the last cute Moroccan gal that was crushing it? Her name escapes me right now, but it was about the time that Laalou went down. Be wary of any Moroccan middle and long distance runner. It's the same thing over and over again.

Is it Mariem Alaoui Selsouli?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariem_Alaoui_Selsouli

No, it was more recent than 2012, I believe.

Good week of running for Jenny. She still has the wheels to compete. As a side note, Dibaba should have been DQ'd for obstructing as she came of her line on the homestretch and drifted out to lane 2 to hold off Hassan.

The lane 2 drift in this sport is laughable. I fully understand if it happens immediately after taking the turn, but when it's happening 50 meters down the home straight you can't find it as anything other than impedance to other runners. I'd like to see a few more runners hold their line and just clip the runner in front of them who moved, but then you'd probably throw your own race, so I don't expect to see it happening ever.

It's amazing to see Jenny make a career out of the 1500. I think precisely nobody thought that was the direction her career would take. I think we all expected steeple for 5,000/10,000. Even when she did the 1500 to start her career I thought it was just to establish speed for a closing kick at higher distances a few years later.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Video and recap of the race is here:

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/06/schedule-and-results-for-2019-iaaf-rabat-diamond-league-track-and-field-meet/

How they let Her off , and have WADA go after Russia is a joke .

Wow I think you’re right. That’s an absolutely awesome stat right there. Jenny is a legend.

joedirt wrote:

Good week of running for Jenny. She still has the wheels to compete. As a side note, Dibaba should have been DQ'd for obstructing as she came of her line on the homestretch and drifted out to lane 2 to hold off Hassan.

Are you the judge who was in charge of overseeing the men’s 5000m final in Rio by chance?

Rankerchief wrote:

I’m also fairly certain that Simpson’s the first women to break 4:00 10 years apart (2009/2019)—not just American, but altogether.

That's impressive

Hardloper wrote:

Rankerchief wrote:

I’m also fairly certain that Simpson’s the first women to break 4:00 10 years apart (2009/2019)—not just American, but altogether.

That's impressive

The next longest period I could find was Slaney (1980/88).

Same song, and YOU are complicit in pushing the racist and shallow narrative of every African being dirty yet white girls are clean. You are also complicit in the false narrative that al athletes are guilty until proven innocent.

Once again, you are ignorant to the sport. Simpson and her meds, altitude, etc., are just as gray area as anyone else.

she must be back on the hot sauce with her 3.55 win. to have 7 women break 4 minutes,and a few more running damn close to it,is highly suspicious.some of them were nowhere near that fast last season,and not just the africans,either.

I doubt that this event is any cleaner today than what the 2012 London final showed.

When Dibaba double wined IAAF World Cross Country Championships back in 2008/2009 did she cheated as well?

Let him prove it.

Let him prove that the ten latest Marathon world records made by Africans were made by cheating.

(by the way a Moroccan offered a Marathon world record to USA and his original country as well).

African women are slightly following the path of Males and the next years will show there full control of African female runners over all distances from 800m to Marathon as do the male today.

For others who questioned my preceding post, I'm too old to follow the recent generation of runner. Jenny Simpson shouldn't be a reference to others runner, because to JS I can't oppose 10 other African runners better than her.

Here is the all-time sub-4s list for everyone. This includes indoors and 5 of Dibaba's sub-4s were indoors.

Maryam Yusuf Jamal 15

Sifan Hassan 15

Genzebe Dibaba 14

Faith Kipyegon 11

Jennifer Simpson 10

Maricica Puica 10

Gudaf Tsegay 9

Laura Muir 9

Abeba Aregawi 8

Doina Melinte 8

Mary Slaney 8

Süreyya Ayhan-Kop 8

Violeta Szekely 8

Beats Tomashova’s record of 9 years between first and current sub 4. Tomashova was banned for 2 years.....but congrats Jenny....I guess.

Passant wrote:

When Dibaba double wined IAAF World Cross Country Championships back in 2008/2009 did she cheated as well?

Let him prove it.

Let him prove that the ten latest Marathon world records made by Africans were made by cheating.

(by the way a Moroccan offered a Marathon world record to USA and his original country as well).

African women are slightly following the path of Males and the next years will show there full control of African female runners over all distances from 800m to Marathon as do the male today.

For others who questioned my preceding post, I'm too old to follow the recent generation of runner. Jenny Simpson shouldn't be a reference to others runner, because to JS I can't oppose 10 other African runners better than her.

No, you can’t.

jeff tallon wrote:

she must be back on the hot sauce with her 3.55 win. to have 7 women break 4 minutes,and a few more running damn close to it,is highly suspicious.some of them were nowhere near that fast last season,and not just the africans,either.

Dibaba ran bests of 3:56-57 even in years like 2017-18 when she was very inconsistent and "vanished" for weeks.

Of the others: Hassan and Tsegay improved their PBs by about 0.2, Arafi by about 0.3. No big deal.

The biggest improvements were by Stafford 3 sec (5 sec since last season), Embaye more than 3 sec and the Ugandan Nanyondo 6.5 sec.

PERFORMANCE PLACE DATE

2019 3:55.47 Rabat (MAR) 16 JUN 2019

2018 3:56.68 Chorzów (POL) 08 JUN 2018

2017 3:57.82 Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 2017

2016 3:59.83 Barcelona (ESP) 09 JUL 2016

2015 3:50.07 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015

2014 4:01.00 Stockholm (SWE) 21 AUG 2014

2013 3:57.54 Doha (QAT) 10 MAY 2013

2012 3:57.77 Shanghai (CHN) 19 MAY 2012

2011 4:05.90 Rieti (ITA) 10 SEP 2011

2010 4:06.10 Doha (QAT) 14 MAY 2010

She was first in World under 20 xc in 2008 and 2009, 11th as a senior several years later. She actually competed four times in the World under 20 xc competition. I don't know whether that was likely for someone honest about her age.

She dropped 8 seconds in the 1500m from 2011 to 2012. That would be one inflection point for doping. The second would be 2014 to 2015. After a poor year with 4:01 as her best, she dropped to 3:50 below all doped Chinese and Soviet Bloc athletes. Yet, in the Olympics and World Champs, she's been not that great, a gold and bronze in the doped Wunderjahre of 2015 and a silver in 2016. You'd think someone 5-6 seconds clear of everyone at 1500m would do better than that, except that she lost to some doped characters like Ayana, who could run 1:57 at the end of a 5000m, and smash a doped Chinese 10000m record. Aden's group was busted for the Moroccan ex-pat who ran 3:50 for the mile at 17; our favorite Makhloufi was with Aden when he won gold in 2012; Aden and his trainer's rooms were busted in Spain with large quantities of EPO and other drugs while Dibaba and her sister were there in Sabadell training. I have no idea whatsoever as to why Spain never moved forward with the trial in three years. Bribes? Incompetence?

As for Simpson, there's rarely been a runner where I said she looked more honest and straightforward, no residual guilt on her face ever.

Should Simpson return her sub-4:00 1500 since she was dragged to that time BECAUSE OF DIBABA?

That's what you idiots don't realize. Dibaba raises the performance threshold of the sport, just like Semenya was doing in the Women's 800m. Now you'll see the Women's 800m revert back to 1:59 winning races, as no one will want to push the pace for greatness.

Simpson owes her entire career to Dibaba... as does Muir and Hassan and all these women running personal bests.