Only 66% of Americans today feel World War 2 was a "Justified War" for the US

were they really close? wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Did the bombs save American lives, yeah probably some, but Japan was close to surrender. The Atom bombs, in my opinion, were mainly dropped as a warning to Russia. It was pretty clear they were going to be a problem for the US post WW2. We wanted to send a message, look what we have and we're not afraid to use it.

They didn't even surrender after the first bomb was dropped. If they were truly close to surrender, you'd think that the first A bomb would have pushed them over the edge, no?

It took them longer to surrender after the 2nd bomb (about a week) than the time between the first 2 (3 days). Expecting a government to surrender in 3 days isn't remotely realistic especially when they have no clue what the heck was going on (i.e. nobody knew what an A bomb was). The 2nd bomb was dropped strictly because the US wanted to test both designs. Nobody really defends it these days. It is important to remember that conventional raids were doing the same order of damage as the nukes. 100k peopled when the US firebombed toyoko. They just took a lot more planes.

Honestly only 14% saying it was unjustified seems low (20% being ignorant sounds about right:)). I bet we can find at least that many that think the earth doesn't orbit the sun. The civil war numbers are a heck of a lot more shocking.

The question asks whether the respondent's think that the US's role in WWII was justified, not the war itself. Many things the US did, including de jure Japanese Internment Camps and de facto Asian/Asian-American concentration camps that were not justified. So the 2/3 number doesn't really surprise me.

UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:

Probably a result of having decades of wars and conflicts that weren't justified since then.

Exactly right. Recent history that we have lived through clouds how we view other historical events that preceded us.

US entering WW2 was necessary. But having watched our president lie to justify two wars in the middle easy that we never should have started, that we continue to lose 15 years later, I can see how people then emotionally attach those same sentiments to earlier wars that were justified for us to participate in.

Mugician wrote:

US entering WW2 was necessary. .

Why? To make the US the global superpower? Or even to stop the world from being dominated by a German Empire instead of a British one?

Roosevelt maneuvered and baited the Japanese into attacking Pearl on purpose. There was no "necessity" about it. If he'd kept most of the fleet at San Diego, nothing would have happened.

Isolationists wrote:

Was probably much lower during WW2 lol. You realize that there was an entire movement to stay out of the War, and even one that wanted to form ties with the Nazis right?

Wanting to form ties is a very gentle sentence fragment. There would have not been a strong and robust Nazi culture without U.S. and British money between Great War and 1933.

I will guarantee you that 40 percent of people under 30 cannot tell you who we fought in WW2.

Almostsbs wrote:

I will guarantee you that 40 percent of people under 30 cannot tell you who we fought in WW2.

I do not think it is as bad as you are stating. Many of the sub-30's would get wrong: 1) Labeling Soviet Union as Russia; 2) Not knowing with whom Finland was aligned; 3) Not knowing with whom China was aligned during WW2.

fantastic thread, never heard of some of the info in this thread (some of it truly sickening to read) but makes much more sense than the comic book world of good/evil the history books/media have been telling us for decades. good start for further research.

UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:

Probably a result of having decades of wars and conflicts that weren't justified since then. The government breaks trust with the people over and over again that soon that is all we know, and some people start to question the past justifications. I personally think WWII was absolutely justified, but it doesn't surprise me that confidence is slipping across the general population. People just don't trust the government anymore.

"31 percent of the Americans surveyed, and 41 percent of millennials within that group, do not believe that 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust and think the real death toll is at least 2 million lower."

And let's be fair, there are a lot of really stupid things that the "average" American believes.

Only 81% of Americans say humans have evolved over time.

63% "Believe in God, absolutely certain"

Regarding the holocaust number. How do you know it's 6M and not 4M? Have you personally counted the bodies? Have you tracked the population records or genealogy records or whatever people do to determine death toll during a cataclysmic tragedy? Seriously, I'm not trying to be anti-semitic or whatever, I'm just saying that we all take someone's word for granted when it comes to these historical facts.

I've listened to talks given in the late 60's (not political speeches at all or anyone with a anti-Jewish agenda) where people just casually referred to the 5M Jews killed in the genocide of WWII. Somehow between then and now it became 6M, and the term Jewish genocide got changed to holocaust. How do these established historical "facts" slowly morph over time?

I'm just saying there is nothing ignorant or stupid about questioning the narrative. Especially when you know certain political interests gain from the narrative being one way or another. Again, I'm not saying I know that 6M Jews didn't die in WWII, for all I know it could be more. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with wondering.

BS wrote:

And only 62% said the revolutionary war was justified.

If you look at context , more people polled said that WWII was justified than any other war in US history. Now maybe that will make you feel better.

Considering the responses, it would be interesting to see how this poll was constructed. Source says yougov.com. So maybe it was an internet poll which would automatically skew young and therefore likely push that justified number down.

So wouldn't take this poll at face value without more info.

Agreed^

The graph on the article shows that WWII has the most support of any war. It's odd that "only 66%" is presented as a bad thing. It's amazing the amount of automatic social sanctioning you face when you question the USA's glorification of war. It's one of the secular blasphemy laws. Don't you dare question any war before 1945. There's some grace given if you question wars since WWII of course. Even the ruling oligarchs realize it's hard to ignore the fact of our bald imperial blood lust ever since we became a super power after WWII.

Twas Horseshite wrote:

Like every other war, it was a scam

Yep. It was so the mensheviks could retain control of Russia, and to re-establish the menshevik controlled central bank in Germany (much like our Fed). Everything the public has been fed is lies. Look at the memoirs written by Ike and Churchill, and compare them to the lies and fairytales the public has been fed about certain things ever since - things that aren't even mentioned by Ike or Churchill because they didn't really happen or didn't happen in the ways or extent that's claimed now. Many of those lies are now used as a shield to deflect criticism of criminal behavior by the usual suspects. Real shame the men of the West were asked to fight and die for bankers, and for their lands to be overrun by third world people the mensheviks openly proclaim that they will be able to rule over forever.

Mensheviks translates closely as Minor Men. They were doomed to fail. Socialism-lite. Mensheviks tried to position themselves as not Czars, not capitalists. Mensheviks or Minor Men got crushed by true believers, Bolsheviks. Bolsheviks translated closely as Major Men. Many amongst Mensheviks fled and began stealing Palestine from Arab Palestinians.

0/10 this author hasn’t ever served

Hey, I don't care that the conspiracy clown I was tearing apart got deleted, along with my replies to him, but what gives with deleting my response to this reasonable question?

I'm not typing it up again, but one way of doing this is to use censuses from the relevant countries before and after WWII. Estimates based on that come out around 5.9 million Jews killed in the Holocaust.

Now some guy is on about "mensheviks". For him it seems to be some kind of bespoke code word for Jews, given how he's using it. In reality, they were a pretty irrelevant faction in the early USSR that got purged by the Bolsheviks (he got that right) and didn't exist after 1921 or so.

Wow, this thread sure got censored in the past day.

Rally ‘round the flag, boys!

Spin a yarn wrote:

Wow, this thread sure got censored in the past day.

Rally ‘round the flag, boys!

Notice that the fink above doesn't mind that half the thread was deleted. It only objects to his own hasbara comments being deleted.

Free speech has always been a foreign concept for these fiddlers.

I know you are not just a seeker of facts. Pretend you want to be fair for a moment. You have gone through census records. Please list the number of non-Jew Soviets who died during WW2. Hardly ever do I read or hear anyone thank the non-Jews from Soviet Union who defeated Nazis. Their lives were not going to be better or worse either way, with or without Hitler. List those deaths please.

The real reason WW2 happened?

Germany went off the central bank debt based economical system. Bankers can't have their wage slaves working for themselves instead the them. WW2 was a war of German self defense.

Everything else is propaganda.

Not german wrote:

The real reason WW2 happened?

Germany went off the central bank debt based economical system. Bankers can't have their wage slaves working for themselves instead the them. WW2 was a war of German self defense.

Everything else is propaganda.

True. That and the usual suspects wanted to make sure the USSR remained under their control (with front man Uncle Joe).