Lance Armstrong is still a Proud, Clueless, @@@hole

Ciro wrote:

He’s a winner.

Fixed it.

Team lie wrote:

.Trump2020OP-the real one........ wrote:

New lows in unabashed shameless self-promotion and lack of integrity! Bravo Lance, bravo... a true hero for this generation of narcissistic cheaters willing to do anything for self glorification and delusional grandeur.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/24/lance-armstrong-it-wasnt-legal-but-i-wouldnt-change-a-thing

T.M.A.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

At least he actually admitted to doping unlike Bradley Wiggins who tried to spin some bs story about having severe asthma that required treatment with steroid injections each time he started a major tour race. Yeah right Brad everyone believes you .... You also have Chris Froome with his temporary kidney failure excuse in the Spanish tour. And Armstrong has ton more charisma in his little finger than those 2 clowns put together. So he's by far the best of a bad bunch.

"Charisma"! Charlie Manson had charisma too. Charisma my arse.

It’s possible to be both.

I was a pretty good age group triathlete in San Diego when Lance showed up in the mid-80s. I used to occasionally train with the local pros, Tinley, Allen, Molina, etc. Lance was living at Tinley's house and I had known Scott long enough and been over there enough to tell you that Lance definitely was not doping at that time. I have no idea how soon he started doping after moving from triathlon to just cycling, but heard rumors that he was on the juice when he won the US Triple Crown of Cycling (and $1,000,000) in '93.

old decrepit former age group tri guy wrote:

I have no idea how soon he started doping after moving from triathlon to just cycling, but heard rumors that he was on the juice when he won the US Triple Crown of Cycling (and $1,000,000) in '93.

Rumors of doping aside, it is a known, documented fact that he paid off his competitors in order to win the final race of the US Triple Crown in order to win the $1 million.

Did anyone actually read the entire article? Or just the headline. He said he wouldn't change because he learned important lessons from being a dick and getting caught. He's not saying the doping was okay, but that acting the way he did put a target on him and forced him to come to terms with his actions:

"Primarily, I wouldn’t change the lessons that I’ve learned. I don’t learn all the lessons if I don’t act that way. I don’t get investigated and sanctioned if I don’t act the way I acted.

“If I just doped and didn’t say a thing, none of that would have happened. None of it. I was begging for, I was asking for them to come after me. It was an easy target.”

Middle Ground wrote:

Did anyone actually read the entire article? Or just the headline. He said he wouldn't change because he learned important lessons from being a dick and getting caught. He's not saying the doping was okay, but that acting the way he did put a target on him and forced him to come to terms with his actions:

"Primarily, I wouldn’t change the lessons that I’ve learned. I don’t learn all the lessons if I don’t act that way. I don’t get investigated and sanctioned if I don’t act the way I acted.

“If I just doped and didn’t say a thing, none of that would have happened. None of it. I was begging for, I was asking for them to come after me. It was an easy target.”

He's still peddling that it was OK to cheat.

This is what sets him apart from "everybody else".

aoxomoxoa wrote:

For me it wasn't so much about his doping (a lot of people doped and everyone lied about it), but about how he tried (and succeeded in some ways) to ruin people's lives who were telling the truth about his actions.

What he did to Frankie and Greg, among others...just despicable. And to never apologize for his actions. Such a tool.

.Trump2020OP-the real one........ wrote:

New lows in unabashed shameless self-promotion and lack of integrity! Bravo Lance, bravo... a true hero for this generation of narcissistic cheaters willing to do anything for self glorification and delusional grandeur.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/24/lance-armstrong-it-wasnt-legal-but-i-wouldnt-change-a-thing

T.M.A.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

Or he might be honest and self-aware. If he said that he would not do it, there would be posters on him calling him a liar.

Not Lance wrote:

I'm still proud of him. everyone was doing it. he's still the greatest. don't know why people try and act like he didn't win those tours...

I think there are two issues here: 1) Doping 2) the savage person attacks and destruction he leveled at his accusers.

The second bothers me far more. The first one I get the motivation. It is his livelihood. He was not well-educated so he is somewhat like the Polish kid I met at a big European race. If he did not make it as a cyclist, he was going to be digging coal. With that option in mind, doping seems like a logical choice.

aoxomoxoa wrote:

For me it wasn't so much about his doping (a lot of people doped and everyone lied about it), but about how he tried (and succeeded in some ways) to ruin people's lives who were telling the truth about his actions.

What he did to Frankie and Greg, among others...just despicable. And to never apologize for his actions. Such a tool.

I think he made amends with some, but some were not willing too.

facts and reason wrote:

Not Lance wrote:

I'm still proud of him. everyone was doing it.

It's the people you don't see who were outside of the top 100. Some were natural with morals. These people were rejected by sponsors and may have been discouraged.

It's possible Lance Armstrong has genetic advantages for drug use if he has more receptors. His body's response to drugs is what you were seeing. There may have been natural riders who worked harder, but Lance Armstrong had the edge.

Also with the millions of dollars he got, he could afford the latest and most expensive designer drugs from chemists. He didn't use cheap drugs that someone cooked up in a bathtub.

The more common action was for riders to say no and return to race domestically for far less money. Scott Mercier is one example. Lots of others whom you probably never heard of made the same decision.

I will go out on a limb and say he was not doping when he was 17...

aoxomoxoa wrote:

For me it wasn't so much about his doping (a lot of people doped and everyone lied about it), but about how he tried (and succeeded in some ways) to ruin people's lives who were telling the truth about his actions. What he did to Frankie and Greg, among others...just despicable. And to never apologize for his actions. Such a tool.

I never cared for Armstrong due to his terrible abrasive attitude, which had nothing to do with drugs.

However, to say that he destroyed Greg Lemond's life is ridiculous.

Luv2Run wrote:

It's possible Lance Armstrong has genetic advantages for drug use if he has more receptors. His body's response to drugs is what you were seeing. There may have been natural riders who worked harder, but Lance Armstrong had the edge. Also with the millions of dollars he got, he could afford the latest and most expensive designer drugs from chemists.

Every word of that is total nonsense.

He destroyed Lemond's bicycle brand, estimated at $30 million, and damaged Lemond's legacy.

dunes runner wrote:

aoxomoxoa wrote:

For me it wasn't so much about his doping (a lot of people doped and everyone lied about it), but about how he tried (and succeeded in some ways) to ruin people's lives who were telling the truth about his actions. What he did to Frankie and Greg, among others...just despicable. And to never apologize for his actions. Such a tool.

I never cared for Armstrong due to his terrible abrasive attitude, which had nothing to do with drugs.

However, to say that he destroyed Greg Lemond's life is ridiculous.

The entire Peloton was/is on PEDs, that is not the issue, the issue is that Lance was so arrogant and mean to people. There is NO WAY you can ride in the pro peloton if you are not on drugs, these guys are all great cyclists and if you didn't take drugs you would find yourself working at Home Depot real quick.

Just because "everybody" was doing it doesn't make it right. Of course many humans can justify anything in their own heads... It is an embarrassment that LetsRun has Lance as a quote of the day. Lance (and all dopers) is/are an embarrassment to athletic endurance sports. I was like 8-10 years old when Lance was crushing it in the tour and I had a strong feeling back then that he was a dirty as they come.

broken arrow wrote:

The entire Peloton was/is on PEDs, that is not the issue, the issue is that Lance was so arrogant and mean to people. There is NO WAY you can ride in the pro peloton if you are not on drugs, these guys are all great cyclists and if you didn't take drugs you would find yourself working at Home Depot real quick.

What a DICKHEAD this L.A. schmuck still is, and will likely remain!!

I knew a World War II prisoners of war (gone, not forgotten) who said, essentially, "My hellacious mistreatment made me a better man," and things like that. And, in his case, it was true. He somehow survived (miraculously, inspiringly) what evil humans tried to do to him, and he used his experiences in a positive way to forge a pretty good post-war life. He never forgot his ordeal, but even decades after the fact, recollections of dread and suffering were channeled in a good way, and others benefited. Maybe he's the exception, but, in this regard, a certain L.A. dickhead, seems to have taken a similar approach. That’s the positive side of L.A.’s way of thinking nowadays.

There’s a fundamental difference between that WWII victim and L.A., however: one, and it’s not L.A., had little or nothing to apologize for, while a certain former elite athlete leaves a huge aspect of his legacy that he, apparently, refuses to regret. Being unable/unwilling to actually apologize for ruining the lives of others he went after, sometimes repeatedly, shows ongoing weakness and a devious approach to life, and it reeks of the potential for trouble to yet arise –in business, personal life, or whatever.

Hmm…why am I reminded of, say, drug cheaters in our sport who won world or Olympic medals, won't lose their medals, and denied legitimate runners an honestly-earned slice of glory?

If the media were to report that this L.A. guy fell down and broke his little head, or succumbed to a reoccurrence of some awful health cr*p, well, I wouldn’t wish those tragedies upon anyone (or his/her friends and family), but I wouldn’t shed a tear, either.