RIP: Henrik Jorgensen, 1988 London Marathon champ and long-time Denmark NR holder, dies while on a run at 57

Yeah. This crap scares me. Only thing ever learned in life is there is too much of anything can kill you. I ran 2400 miles last year and I turned 49. Probably will hit 300 more miles this year. I do some hard effort runs in summer and fall. I don't race much (only 4 last year) but I run them very hard. I have no delusion that running will keep me healthier or extend my life. I just don't want to die "earlier" from it or become crippled.

You suck and should go away forever. I reported your post in hopes of getting it deleted. Nothing in Jorgensen's career suggests PED use and even if it did it's indecent to crap on a guy in thread about his memory.

I read the original article in the Danish newspaper. He did die while running his daily 10K loop. He is currently

the national record holder in the marathon with a 2:09.43 clocking at London 1985. He was an inspiration to many

back in the day.

Technically yes wrote:

Are you splitting hairs? wrote:

Aren't you splitting hairs? Are you saying that in order for it to be running related a person would have to have the heart attack while they're actually in movement, i.e, running or jogging? ? What's the difference if it occurs while you're actually in motion or just a few minutes later while you stop and stretch?

Yes. They would have to collapse in motion.

You've got to be a college kid...a stupid remark like that wouldn't come from a baby boomer. ?

^ What's getting ridiculous is nested quotes that run 5 or 6 deep. Please max out at 2! Threads turn unreadable around the 3rd page because of this.

All you have to do is delete a few lines.

Most heart disease is probably undiagnosed diabetes. A skinny runner goes into the doctor's office and he probably won't be tested for A1c, much less a Kraft glucose-tolerance test. High-mileage runners look skinny but eat like obese people. The "runner's diet" of starches, sugars and plant oils drives inflammation which wrecks arterial walls. Get a calcium score to get a snapshot of where your risk is, cholesterol tests are basically meaningless for CHD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysifMKWKZLY

BTW I put an end to a horrible run of A-fib using diet as well. Nothing like getting your heart paddywhacked five times in seven years to make you look long and hard at your lifestyle. This year is my tenth without symptoms, pretty much unheard of with A-fib with middle-age onset.

This Is Getting Ridiculous wrote:

Technically yes wrote:

Yes. They would have to collapse in motion.

You've got to be a college kid...a stupid remark like that wouldn't come from a baby boomer. ?

I am from the technically smarter generation between those two. Sitting is not running.

It happened to one of our locals, a race director with a huge number of marathon finishes, way too young; dead towards the end of a marathon race. Heart attack/stroke/aneurysm, they’re all circulatory diseases. Running is generally healthy but not 100% protective.

Are you sure? wrote:

HRE wrote:

Denmark's sub 2:10 marathoner and 1988 London Marathon winner dies earlier today. Reportedly he had a heart attack while running.

A cardiac arrest while running?

The link between long distance running and early death is well established. The real long distance stuff is not really good for you.

Some of my transcon finishers are in their 80s and still racing!

I remember this guy. Sorry to hear this. Also, always alarming when otherwise healthy 50X runners die of heart attacks. But the “Too much running can kill you” argument was pretty well rebutted by a closer examination of the scientific studies that purported to support it. Alex Hutchinson did a pretty good evaluation of the review of the studies. You can google “No, too much running will not kill you.”. But, questions still remain and, if anything, the more detail we get the more complex the issue. The electrophysiological element of the argument has not had as much study. I know too many very fast runners who have had ablations to “fix” problems with their rhythms. Their docs did indicate they thought running contributed. And no, an ablation is not a fix. Being an M60 with 43 years of running, yeah, this is a concern to me personally.

YMMV - would you mind sharing about the diet you used to treat your a-fib?

I've had it occur over the past 10 years and it scares the hell out of me.

a-fib wrote:

YMMV - would you mind sharing about the diet you used to treat your a-fib?

I've had it occur over the past 10 years and it scares the hell out of me.

Somewhere in reviewing the research I came across a suggestion that A-fib is related to inflammation (as it turns out almost every modern chronic disease is- that's a much bigger topic). I then started digging into low-inflammation diet, and it kept coming down to reducing carbs (and later plant oils except olive and coconut). I already avoided commercial foods and added sugar, but started reducing starches (cut out chips in particular, that is one addiction I conquered among many). I also started training very much more gently, eventually going to HR training under MAF. These changes alone seemed to make the critical difference, as I have not had an incident since 2009.

I still had other chronic issues and went keto and intermittent faasting three years ago, which took things to another level, and I was able to increase my training volume tremendously (still low intensity except consistent short speed work).

Long story short I have now been 90+% carnivore the last three months and my training has been some of the best of my life. I now train 45-65 mpw, with regular workouts at all paces, some quite intense, but very rarely "going to the well", as I feel that is not worth the return; better to stay healthy and live to run another day.

In short, healthy meat, fish, eggs IME is strongly anti-inflammatory, and very powerful in conjunction with IF and proper training (I recommend using an HR monitor for at least a year until you can really understand pure aerobic easy running).

Hope this helps; the upside of all this is all of the other health benefits I have accrued. I honestly feel better now than in my teens, twenties and thirties (I had a lot of issues associated with high-carb/processed foods back then despite doing all the "right things" for health and fitness.

I feel our generation is the low-point in ters of nutritional quality thanks to a lot of misinformation by "authoritative" sources. I find that younger people who get their information from more diverse sources are in a much better position to see through the smokescreens and experience better health. I sure could have used the internet back in the '70s and 80s when I was struggling. Just gald to be here now.

I tried cut back on carbs to some degree as well but I doubt I will ever go keto. I was too much carb anyway being Asian. Some of what I've seen on Sugarlicious documentary makes sense to me.

I never thought I would go carnivore, but just kept reading my physical and mental responses to controlled changes, and things just kept leading to my current setup. Just like with training, you have to keep evolving to see improvement. It's a matter of how badly you want it, since it does take a certain amount of willpower.

Trying that diet now. Not loving it. Poop comes out when I fart.

Still here wrote:

I had a heart attack while running at age 55. (I didn't die.)

I never won any marathons or set any records, but have been a runner since 1976.

What has your diet been like prior to your heart attack, and then afterwards? Standard western diet, vegetarian, vegan?

I read an article several years written by a cardiologist you said that running in cold weather is dangerous. The colder the worse it is. Something about either lower oxygen in the air or the body can't process it as well in the cold. He said that is what causes many of the snow shoving heart attacks. Not exertion as many people believe.

Moo Goo wrote:

I wonder if too much running contributed to his death. This is scary. He probably had a heart that is stronger than 99.999% of the people. These days, you rarely see anyone die of heart attack at that age unless one is morbidly obese. I know 2 people personally who died of heart attack around that age and they were really fat. One guy was over 300 lbs and other guy was probably around 270 lbs. The 300 lbs guy's dinner was a pizza pie with a 2 liter soda.

We're not immune to heart disease and clogged arteries.

His heart was likely VERY strong but what about the arteries carrying blood.

I used to eat whatever filled my tank, as I got older my Doctor, who I've known all my life, told me the cut back on the junk food and eat a healthier diet.

We burn a lot of calories running mega miles.

RIP- he was a cool dude.