Obummercare ruled unconstitutional

Phones have been offered free or low cost since 1985. They are still offered under the same program.

https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline-program-low-income-consumers

Oh..... wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obamacare-ruled-unconstitutional-by-texas-judge

....bummer.

Nice! This will lead to closure of a TON of rural hospitals which are primarily located in Whitetrashistan (aka Trump Country). All those Trumpers will now get to experience Paul Ryan’s call for “freedom” to not have access to healthcare. A great day for America and “freedom”.

Slow your roll wrote:

Just wow... wrote:

I can't believe there are so many idiots in this country. "I hate the guvment slamming healthcare insurance down my throat. All those other sick people should go bankrupt while I do just fine. I'd rather die than have to pay for insurance!"

Congratulations - you may get that wish since you're uninsured when you get sick.

Let's talk about idiots.

I dont drink.

I don't smoke.

I don't use illicit drugs.

I don't overeat myself into obesity.

I don't have rampant unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Why should I pay for the healthcare of those who suffer the effects of those who voluntarily engage in those behaviors?

I've never smoked a cigarette but somehow I have to pay for the medical bills of a decades long smoker who is suffering from lung cancer, CHF and or COPD.

yep. I'm the idiot.

You don't depending on what state you live in. You can insure with a Short Term Medical plan which typically costs about half as much as an ACA plan. There are a number of states which limit access or don't permit at all access to these types of plans.

Check them out. High deductibles, typically don't cover "well care" type of visits but do provide significant catastrophic coverage. Anyone who is healthy, male and doesn't have a female who may get pregnant on the same policy should look into this type of insurance.

There's no reason insurance plans should be paying for annual physicals and other lower cost medical issues. Sneeze and your at the doctor's office. Great. Pay for it yourself and you'll come out ahead over the premium you pay with a ACA plan.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Anyone who'd cheer the ACA being struck down is also cheering tens of millions of people losing health coverage, the loss of protection for pre-existing conditions, children no longer able to remain on their parents' health insurance until 26, the reintroduction of lifetime limits on coverage ... .

Yes, ignore the (exorbitant) costs, proclaim the supposed benefits, and any boondoogle looks respectable.

And don't forget to claim your political opponents are moral-less because they don't prefer your theft under law system regime to fund your pied piper dreamings (quickly to be filled with corruption). Who cares about laws or Constitutions, ICE CREAM FOR ALL!!

Back in real world, reality means Marxist = Venezuela plan, but it's unsurprising you'd prefer that.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Anyone who'd cheer the ACA being struck down ...

As Chief Justice Roberts would say, "striking down ACA" is not a political act to be cheered or booed, but the act of an extraordinary nonpartisan judge who is dedicated to doing his level best to ensure what is right.

Goodbye Obama Sh_t care .

What is a rational objection to “Obamacare”? I think most of the GOP and supporters simply can’t stand it because it was a Dem idea.

Being told you need health insurance via the individual mandate? That I understand and so it made sense to get rid of that part.

Cost too much money? It’s a government program? What is the military? What is TRICARE? I am struggling to understand the rationale behind wholesale dislike of something only because it is too expensive or because it’s part of the big bad government when the same folks give wholesale support of the military and related programs such as TRICARE.

So someone give me a serious response. If the military is beloved by the GOP why not just give everyone in the US TRICARE?

TRICARE, more specifically TRICARE Prime, is an HMO so it can be a hassle as everything is routed through your Primary Care Manager. It’s a matter of just knowing how to navigate the referral process. The cost to my family for all services to include prescriptions is $0.

I would estimate my family healthcare out of pocket cost (premiums + doc visits + prescriptions) prior to joining the Army to be around $8500 annually back in 2010.

Alan

Actually, about 1/3 of the MTA's budget comes from taxes.

And tolls and registration only covers about half the cost of maintaining federal roads and highways. The rest, including subsidies, is mostly covered by taxpayers.

We just had a massive tax cut, by the way, brought to us by the "fiscally conservative" GOP -- and now our deficit is growing faster than during the Obama years.

Maybe some independent should pick up on this and run on a "Tricare for all " platform instead of a Dem running on a "Medicare for all" platform.

The ACA is good for some and not good for others. The odd thing is that some who don't like the ACA and have coverage through it likely don't realize that their political leanings to end the ACA would harm them if the ACA was eliminated.

Insurance is good. We shouldn't insure for everything. Basic medical expense....minor illness and medical care (a broken bone, etc), wellcare doesn't need to be covered by insurance. Even pregnancy doesn't need to be covered as it is a fixed cost. If there are complications, insurance should cover the non basic pre natal, delivery and post natal care. Major medical needs to be covered by insurance. If too many are not insured for major medical, everyone is going to pay for it whether they like it or not and whether it is part of your insurance premium or not.

The first step in making sure everyone has affordable access to medical care is very basic. Control the costs of medical care. Until that happens, the cost of insurance is going to go up no matter who comes up with a plan.

Runningart2004 wrote:

What is a rational objection to “Obamacare”? I think most of the GOP and supporters simply can’t stand it because it was a Dem idea.

Alan

Clearly your mind is made up, when you position your query as a GOP v Dem issue. Why should anyone take the time to offer out a rational objection when your response will be unyielding and predictable regardless?

Can’t do it wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

What is a rational objection to “Obamacare”? I think most of the GOP and supporters simply can’t stand it because it was a Dem idea.

Alan

Clearly your mind is made up, when you position your query as a GOP v Dem issue. Why should anyone take the time to offer out a rational objection when your response will be unyielding and predictable regardless?

So don’t give a response? That’s cool too. And it is a Dem\GOP issue. I just want to understand the objection against one type of government run and funded health insurance system vs the wholesale acceptance of another government run and funded health insurance system?

Also since everyone calls it Obamacare or Obummercare instead of ACA it’s obviously a partisan issue.

Alan

Interesting article about why health care is so expensive in the first place.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-health-care-so-expensive-in-the-first-place/

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Can’t do it wrote:

Clearly your mind is made up, when you position your query as a GOP v Dem issue. Why should anyone take the time to offer out a rational objection when your response will be unyielding and predictable regardless?

So don’t give a response? That’s cool too. And it is a Dem\GOP issue. I just want to understand the objection against one type of government run and funded health insurance system vs the wholesale acceptance of another government run and funded health insurance system?

Also since everyone calls it Obamacare or Obummercare instead of ACA it’s obviously a partisan issue.

Alan

It is not a Dem/GOP issue. Many GOP lawmakers and voters agree with some aspects of “Obamacare”. Many Dem lawmakers and voters disagree with some aspects of “Obamacare”.

When it is posited as a Dem/GOP issue then it becomes a political discussion and inherently unsolvable.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Interesting article about why health care is so expensive in the first place.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-health-care-so-expensive-in-the-first-place/

Alan

The article is almost worthless since it does not mention the most important factor: people are unhealthy, so they spend a lot on treatment and care. It does not have to be that way. Cardiovascular diseases, certain cancers, diabetes, and most major chronic diseases are preventable for most people. Health care costs will be high as long as people are unwilling to adopt lifestyles that are health promoting.

AJAX1 wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Interesting article about why health care is so expensive in the first place.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-health-care-so-expensive-in-the-first-place/

Alan

The article is almost worthless since it does not mention the most important factor: people are unhealthy, so they spend a lot on treatment and care. It does not have to be that way. Cardiovascular diseases, certain cancers, diabetes, and most major chronic diseases are preventable for most people. Health care costs will be high as long as people are unwilling to adopt lifestyles that are health promoting.

Agree and it’s no surprise that the country with the highest rate of obesity has the highest healthcare cost.

So about this TX case....what’s next? ACA is still law of the land.

Alan

One major thing you left out - the gross waste and incompetence! I have seen this with my own eyes . It's something that would never go on for too long in the private sector. There is a revolution under way; look at what's happening in France.

Best way to lower health care is cost is to let nature take its course.

No insurance on fatties= less of them reproducing= over a few generations it will fix itself.

You need to think through before you make comments like that. Auto insurance is not anything like health insurance. Auto insurance is mandated by law to protect you against some one else's fault, not yours.

Runningart2004 wrote:

So about this TX case....what’s next? ACA is still law of the land.

Alan

Good question. Technically it’s the law of the land, but without the individual mandate it’s not. I’m on COBRA for the next little while, but will be too young to qualify for Medicare before COBRA eligibility runs out. When that happens, I do not plan on picking up an ACA plan. I will probably go with one of those short term catastrophic plans for as long as I can. Either that or go uninsured. Or go back to work so I can get group benefits. I priced out the ACA plans and simply don’t want to spend that much money

I suspect many will behave like me